ATG Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr

[flyest1]

That's right smoochp!! Are you watching pac-Cotto live??

That youtube video was a classic. You had all of us laugh hard on that one.
As for the Pac vs Cotto fight. Tickets sold out to damn quick for that one. Ill be at the MGM when the fight is over though. Pac should win that fight. I might go to Floyd vs JMM since my B Day is next week and should get some money. I want to support my boy Floyd. But I might wait because they might give tickets away.

[Pacdbest]

Pacquiao

TS, if you want to judge who the better fighter is on technical boxing ability then sure Floyd. But the buck stops there. ATG lists are not made up of the best technical boxers, if it were you would have guys such as PBF, B-HOP, Whitaker, Pepp etc much higher. Furthermore you wan't to judge these two when theyre age 16 when Pac was a pro, and floyd had 6 losses in the amateurs? Floyd was groomed to fight from the get go. Manny was not. Over the last 10 years which fighter has evolved more? Life ain't about being perfect, it's about improving. Judging them both by the same standards Pac done the following:

1. Won more lineal titles than Mayweather
2. Won more world titles than Mayweather.
3. Became a world champion the same time as floyd, considering floyds retirements he's been a world champion longer.
4. Pac's career has spanned more weight classes.
5. Pac has fought in more weight classes.
6. Pac has won 6 world titles in 6 different weight classes.
7. If Pac beats Cotto, he will have his 3rd fighter of the year award which would be more than pbf & a record and 7 titles in 7 weight classes
8. Ring magazine named Pac fighter of the decade for the 2000s.
9. Pac's resume/overall body of work is better than Floyds (refer to any number of previous polls done on here.
10. Pac caters to the fans a lot more than pbf does in that he consistently looks to challenge himself and take the toughest fights.

Now the above are just in the ring, outside the ring:
1. Pac's story is amazing. Something hollywood couldnt even dream of. Can you name a better rags to riches story? As good maybe, but better? No way.
2. Pac was rated in forbes top 100 most influential people in the world.
3. The man has his face on a stamp in the phillipines.
4. The crime rate in Manilla drops to near 0 only during his fights.
5. A civil war seizes fire for 24 hours during his fights.
6. In 6 years since the Barrera fight he has climbe to the top, defied odds & taken over boxing the old fashioned way.
7. He's got a nike commercial with Kobe Bryant coming out next month.
8. He's got former presidents wanting to see him.
9. Future president of his country.
10. A symbol of hope for 100,000,000 people around the globe.
11. He can barely speak english but he's made boxing hot again, something floyd has never and will never do.

If there was an argument about them inside the ring, there isn't anymore when you consider them outside the ring.

Despite all the above, floyd is a better technical boxer. Pac is a better fighter. As Thomas Hauser said, boxing is a skill, fighting is the spirit in which you display that skill. Pac represents the best of boxing. Pac is a higher ATG at this time.

You summed up your problem when you started barking about Pac's losses. Nobody is perfect. That's ignorance at it's best. Human nature will appreciate a man who takes risks and faces the jaws of defeat over a man that stays outside that radius. For these reasons Pac is the greatest fighter on the planet.

If you look carefully at the ATG list you'll see the common denominator are the losses.

Amen!!!!!!!

[Pacdbest]

That youtube video was a classic. You had all of us laugh hard on that one.
As for the Pac vs Cotto fight. Tickets sold out to damn quick for that one. Ill be at the MGM when the fight is over though. Pac should win that fight. I might go to Floyd vs JMM since my B Day is next week and should get some money. I want to support my boy Floyd. But I might wait because they might give tickets away.

You're lucky you live in Vegas. Give us the scoop during the weigh-ins!!!

[Pacdbest]

this thread has been overrun with *******s and floyd haters. listen i dislike floyd as well but to act like he is not a great boxer with amazing skills is ******. manny is an exciting fighter who has some great names on his resume but he is not on the same level of mayweather no matter how many fans he has or how much of an arrogant **** floyd is. if you were to give this same poll to boxing experts and boxers with no bias i guarantee your results would be different

Ring Magazine already has Pac as the Best of the decade!!! Is that not enough???

[S.G.]

It's Manny as of now, but the difference is not as drastic as a lot of Pacfans / Mayweather detractors will have you believe

If Mayweather goes ahead with his four or five fight plan, or even just fights both Pacquiao and Cotto, I'm confident he'll reclaim his spot ahead of Pacquiao

There's not a lot in it, it's gonna be a photo finish

[elgaringo]

Pacquiao

TS, if you want to judge who the better fighter is on technical boxing ability then sure Floyd. But the buck stops there. ATG lists are not made up of the best technical boxers, if it were you would have guys such as PBF, B-HOP, Whitaker, Pepp etc much higher. Furthermore you wan't to judge these two when theyre age 16 when Pac was a pro, and floyd had 6 losses in the amateurs? Floyd was groomed to fight from the get go. Manny was not. Over the last 10 years which fighter has evolved more? Life ain't about being perfect, it's about improving. Judging them both by the same standards Pac done the following:

1. Won more lineal titles than Mayweather
2. Won more world titles than Mayweather.
3. Became a world champion the same time as floyd, considering floyds retirements he's been a world champion longer.
4. Pac's career has spanned more weight classes.
5. Pac has fought in more weight classes.
6. Pac has won 6 world titles in 6 different weight classes.
7. If Pac beats Cotto, he will have his 3rd fighter of the year award which would be more than pbf & a record and 7 titles in 7 weight classes
8. Ring magazine named Pac fighter of the decade for the 2000s.
9. Pac's resume/overall body of work is better than Floyds (refer to any number of previous polls done on here.
10. Pac caters to the fans a lot more than pbf does in that he consistently looks to challenge himself and take the toughest fights.

Now the above are just in the ring, outside the ring:
1. Pac's story is amazing. Something hollywood couldnt even dream of. Can you name a better rags to riches story? As good maybe, but better? No way.
2. Pac was rated in forbes top 100 most influential people in the world.
3. The man has his face on a stamp in the phillipines.
4. The crime rate in Manilla drops to near 0 only during his fights.
5. A civil war seizes fire for 24 hours during his fights.
6. In 6 years since the Barrera fight he has climbe to the top, defied odds & taken over boxing the old fashioned way.
7. He's got a nike commercial with Kobe Bryant coming out next month.
8. He's got former presidents wanting to see him.
9. Future president of his country.
10. A symbol of hope for 100,000,000 people around the globe.
11. He can barely speak english but he's made boxing hot again, something floyd has never and will never do.

If there was an argument about them inside the ring, there isn't anymore when you consider them outside the ring.

Despite all the above, floyd is a better technical boxer. Pac is a better fighter. As Thomas Hauser said, boxing is a skill, fighting is the spirit in which you display that skill. Pac represents the best of boxing. Pac is a higher ATG at this time.

You summed up your problem when you started barking about Pac's losses. Nobody is perfect. That's ignorance at it's best. Human nature will appreciate a man who takes risks and faces the jaws of defeat over a man that stays outside that radius. For these reasons Pac is the greatest fighter on the planet.

If you look carefully at the ATG list you'll see the common denominator are the losses.

well im sold!!!

[ny123]

Ring Magazine already has Pac as the Best of the decade!!! Is that not enough???

pac is a great fighter who has achieved a lot but the last time ive seen him in the ring with a real fighter who could still fight i think he lost so i think all of this hype over his wins against hatton and de la hoya are very overrated. you obviously are a pac fan so i would not expect you to agree but thats the way i see it. in a fight between may and pac i have may by wide ud

[Jiddu Dali]

really now?

castillo, coralles, judah & baldomir...

now compare those names to morales, barrera, marquez & hatton...

borderline HOFs against legitimate ones...

and to think he fought morales thrice, barrera & marquez twice...

thats 5 ****in times against the best in a golden era of 126-130...

as to the second underlined phrase... well, to each his own... ATG lists are personal choices anyway...

wow man, i love how you named Hatton..when mayweather was the first person to beat hatton....

Zahir Raheem beat THE GREAT Morales directly after Morales beat Pacquiao....whoopty do......and he didnt beat Marquez twice, he beat him once and the first fight was a draw....do you watch boxing or just look up fighter records?....

[Jiddu Dali]

holy moly @ the poll results of this thread....

straight madness!!

[Pacdbest]

pac is a great fighter who has achieved a lot but the last time ive seen him in the ring with a real fighter who could still fight i think he lost so i think all of this hype over his wins against hatton and de la hoya are very overrated. you obviously are a pac fan so i would not expect you to agree but thats the way i see it. in a fight between may and pac i have may by wide ud

Everytime Pac beats his HOF opponents so easy you guys always has excuses!!! PBF fought the same DLH & hatton but PBF didn;t do it as well as Pac. It's simple... Pac is greater.