If Vernon Forrest didn't own a gun

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  • fdotorres
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    #21
    Originally posted by ИATAS206
    No, if people didn't try to rob him, he would be alive today.

    Don't blame vernon for his own murder. He was minding his own business. Everyone reacts differently in situations and vernon decided to defend himself. Whether or not you agree with his decision, the fact of the matter is people tried to rob him and then murdered him.

    Don't blame his death on him or the fact he had a gun. It's our right as americans to defend ourselves if we choose to do so.
    he didn't defend himself bro, that's the point

    lets change the scenario for a second. if those guys took the car and vernon managed to chase them and shoot them down, he would've gone to jail. that's how the law works my friend. it was just a car, just lay down with the gun and let them go.

    from what i read, they never pointed a gun on vernon at the beginning. they just got in the car and tried to steal it, then ran away and vernon chased them armed, and the exchange of fire started. of course they'll rot in jail now, but if vernon shot them without them having a gun in their hands being fired, vernon would've been the one in deep trouble

    our right is to defend ourselves of physical danger, not to defend our cars by chasing fleeing robbers with a gun

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    • fdotorres
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      #22
      Originally posted by #1Assassin
      chased away.

      they returned and killed him, and would probably have killed him on the spot had he not been armed, and who knows what wouldve happened to his son.

      common sense is dont dissrespect a man who just died.
      am i disrespecting him?

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      • fdotorres
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        #23
        Originally posted by Sutekh uvdabrix
        Thats right they probrably would have forced vernon in into the car into the back seat, then killed him and his son and left the bodies somewhere noone would find them.
        if he didn't have a gun and didn't chase them, that's not very probable

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        • fdotorres
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          #24
          Originally posted by JACK D. RIPPER
          Stop pretending you know what happened you presumptuous ****.
          coming from the guy that says that margo just had training pads and naz framed him? OK

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            #25
            live by the sword die by the sword

            R.I.P. gentleman Vernon Forrest

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            • JACK D. RIPPER
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              #26
              Originally posted by fdotorres
              he didn't defend himself bro, that's the point

              lets change the scenario for a second. if those guys took the car and vernon managed to chase them and shoot them down, he would've gone to jail. that's how the law works my friend. it was just a car, just lay down with the gun and let them go.

              from what i read, they never pointed a gun on vernon at the beginning. they just got in the car and tried to steal it, then ran away and vernon chased them armed, and the exchange of fire started. of course they'll rot in jail now, but if vernon shot them without them having a gun in their hands being fired, vernon would've been the one in deep trouble

              our right is to defend ourselves of physical danger, not to defend our cars by chasing fleeing robbers with a gun
              He did what he felt he had to.

              Who the *** are you to sit at your house after reading second and third hand reports to be a self righteous prick (like you always are) and pretending you know better than he did.

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              • ИATAS
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                #27
                First off, stop acting like you know WTF happened. Reports are sketchy at the moment, so please do not go off everything you read.

                Originally posted by fdotorres
                lets change the scenario for a second. if those guys took the car and vernon managed to chase them and shoot them down, he would've gone to jail. that's how the law works my friend. it was just a car, just lay down with the gun and let them go.
                WTF you talkin about? If armed robbers take your car, you shoot they die, you do not go to jail. That's called self defense.

                from what i read, they never pointed a gun on vernon at the beginning. they just got in the car and tried to steal it, then ran away and vernon chased them armed, and the exchange of fire started. of course they'll rot in jail now, but if vernon shot them without them having a gun in their hands being fired, vernon would've been the one in deep trouble
                Maybe maybe not. Depends on the circumstances. Plus his kid was in the freakin car.

                our right is to defend ourselves of physical danger, not to defend our cars by chasing fleeing robbers with a gun
                If someone is attempting to ROB YOU, regardless if they have a gun or not you have the right, if armed, to chase them the **** down and even shoot them in certain scenarios. You obviously have no idea WTF you're talking about.

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                • fdotorres
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                  #28
                  Originally posted by ИATAS206
                  First off, stop acting like you know WTF happened. Reports are sketchy at the moment, so please do not go off everything you read.

                  i'm going by what was posted by BS

                  WTF you talkin about? If armed robbers take your car, you shoot they die, you do not go to jail. That's called self defense.

                  no. if they don't threaten your life and you kill them, then it isn't self defense. trying to steal your car isn't a threat against you

                  Maybe maybe not. Depends on the circumstances. Plus his kid was in the freakin car.

                  with this part i agree. but he shouldn't have chased them down nevertheless. criminals ALWAYS have an advantage in these kinds of situations, especially when compared to a decent guy like forrest that would be likely to turn his guard down eventually

                  If someone is attempting to ROB YOU, regardless if they have a gun or not you have the right, if armed, to chase them the **** down and even shoot them in certain scenarios. You obviously have no idea WTF you're talking about.

                  you don't have the right to chase robbers down and kill them if they don't threaten your life, and they didn't. that is NOT self defense, nor what the law establishes
                  LEGAL argument of self defense: Force likely to cause death or great bodily harm is justified in self-defense only if a person reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent death or great bodily harm.
                  Last edited by fdotorres; 07-26-2009, 03:43 PM.

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                  • fdotorres
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                    #29
                    Originally posted by JACK D. RIPPER
                    He did what he felt he had to.

                    Who the *** are you to sit at your house after reading second and third hand reports to be a self righteous prick (like you always are) and pretending you know better than he did.
                    says the guy that claims for a fact that margarito used training pads and hand cream and that ****m framed him

                    you have no place in this discussion, just go away

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                    • #1Assassin
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                      #30
                      Originally posted by fdotorres
                      LEGAL argument of self defense: Force likely to cause death or great bodily harm is justified in self-defense only if a person reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent death or great bodily harm.
                      they took the car with his son in it, and they were armed with ****ing machine guns. if he wouldve killed them he wouldnt get a prison sentence, he would get a parade ffs.

                      hes a hero, why do u want to critisize? u have issues man.

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