Just to clarify things up..... Floyd still holds the lineal title at 147.

[JM1]

So although he retired, because he retired undefeated at the weight he still held the lineal crown. After Baldo, he didnt lose the title.

So now he's back again, he still is the official lineal champ at the weight even though he has'nt fought for almost 18 months or so.



Just thought i'd clarify this up. So although Mosley is the no1 at 147 at the moment, he'd have to beat Floyd to get the lineal crown.

joke time?

[Ishy Aytan]

Thats bull****. My point is if you QUIT something and someone elses takes your place, you can't come along 2 years later and take that new guy's place.

I understand perfectly what a lineal champ is and guess what....Floyd quit the sport. He's entitled to **** right now.

Your a joke, you obviously dont know what a lineal champ is as you fail to understand what the rules are regarding it.


He still is the lineal champ. Whats so hard to believe? He still holds the lineage. Im not calling him the best welter out there, but he still holds the lineal crown.

[nujabes77]

So then in that case if I quit my job tomorrow, and somebody else comes along and takes it in the meanwhile, you're saying I can come back two years later and get my old job back and all the priviliges it entails.

I feel if you retire from something, you have to work your way back up if you choose to return. You're not entitled to anything.

People may use the example of Ali, and the public still recognising him as champ 3 years later...but Ali was FORCED to retire really.

Erm, this is boxing. Different jobs have different rules. WTF u talking about?


Rules state that if a LINEAL titlelist comes back having left the weight catorgory as the Lineal champ, he still is the lineal champ.


Do you understand what a lineal champ is?

man gotta admin, he owned you there lolz

[shade darkar]

So although he retired, because he retired undefeated at the weight he still held the lineal crown. After Baldo, he didnt lose the title.

So now he's back again, he still is the official lineal champ at the weight even though he has'nt fought for almost 18 months or so.



Just thought i'd clarify this up. So although Mosley is the no1 at 147 at the moment, he'd have to beat Floyd to get the lineal crown.

ok then, clearly describe the difference between an undisputed champ and a lineal champ.

[starjammer]

Your a joke, you obviously dont know what a lineal champ is as you fail to understand what the rules are regarding it.


He still is the lineal champ. Whats so hard to believe? He still holds the lineage. Im not calling him the best welter out there, but he still holds the lineal crown.

Completley disagree with you. Lets say if Calzaghe comes back at LHW in two years and people are claiming him to be the lineal champ when Dawson and Cloud lets say have cleaned up all the titles...will you disregard all theyve done in his absence and call Calzaghe the lineal champ?

No I don't reckon you would.

Same with Lennox Lewis, why would he be a lineal champ NOW? Wladimir has staked his claim. Vitali has staked a claim for a piece of it.

Lennox wouldn't deserve it. He would have to BEAT the new guys.

So in conclusion, Floyd would have to beat MOSLEY to get that lineal championship....not the other way around as you propose.

[Ishy Aytan]

ok then, clearly describe the difference between an undisputed champ and a lineal champ.

We dont have an undisputed champ. Floyd's the lineal champ. His title goes back to the 70's/80's.

For a fighter to lose his lineal crown he must be defeated or must be retired for a numerous number of years.


An undisputed champ is the guy that cleans up his division. Mosley didnt clean up 147, he just beat one of the elite welters.

We do not have an undisputed champ at 147.

[shade darkar]

We dont have an undisputed champ. Floyd's the lineal champ. His title goes back to the 70's/80's.

For a fighter to lose his lineal crown he must be defeated or must be retired for a numerous number of years.


An undisputed champ is the guy that cleans up his division. Mosley didnt clean up 147, he just beat one of the elite welters.

We do not have an undisputed champ at 147.

im not about just ww. boxing in general, i didnt ask who is the lineal champ, i asked you to tell me clearly the difference between a lineal champ and an undisputed champ.

[hitmanhatton]

We dont have an undisputed champ. Floyd's the lineal champ. His title goes back to the 70's/80's.

For a fighter to lose his lineal crown he must be defeated or must be retired for a numerous number of years.


An undisputed champ is the guy that cleans up his division. Mosley didnt clean up 147, he just beat one of the elite welters.

We do not have an undisputed champ at 147.

thats junk u jus said urself numerous years.

floyd went and bitched out of sport insted fightin any real welters

[Ishy Aytan]

Completley disagree with you. Lets say if Calzaghe comes back at LHW in two years and people are claiming him to be the lineal champ when Dawson and Cloud lets say have cleaned up all the titles...will you disregard all theyve done in his absence and call Calzaghe the lineal champ?

No I don't reckon you would.

Same with Lennox Lewis, why would he be a lineal champ NOW? Wladimir has staked his claim. Vitali has staked a claim for a piece of it.

Lennox wouldn't deserve it. He would have to BEAT the new guys.

So in conclusion, Floyd would have to beat MOSLEY to get that lineal championship....not the other way around as you propose.

Calzaghe never held the Lineal crown at Light Heavy. Dont get confused with being the Lineal champ and being the ring no1 champ. Calzaghe beat the no1 ring Light Heavy in Hopkins, but Bhop wernt the Lineal champ.


If Lewis came back before Wlad's last fight he still would have been recognised as the Lineal champ at the weight.


And why does Floyd have to beat Mosley to be recognised as the lineal champ when Mosley never was a lineal champ at 147? Mosley beat Margarito, and Margarito was not the lineal champ.


I seriously think you do not understand what a Lineal champ is.

[Del Coqui]

Undisputed is what Roy was, he held all the belts. Lineal is usually the guy who unifies, like Floyd who beat Baldi after he beat Zab after he beat Spinks who was the lineal chump. If you retire for other than medical reasons, yes, you lose your claim to be lineal champion,because you chose to retire. You don't think that's the first argument that would've come out Floyd's mouth? stop this bs...