Did you know that CALZAGHE beat CHRIS BYRD in amateurs?

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People who don't recognize amateur carrers don't know squat about boxing. He knocked out Chris Byrd, he made Bhop piss his short, he destroyed Roy at his own game. He beated on Eubank every minute of every round without getting clipped. He destroyed the only favoured fighter to beat him in Jeff Lacy. Jeff was supposed to murder him and then Joe destroyed his career. Mikkel was almost even odds and he's faster, stronger and probably more technical than Zaghe. Hech I picked kessler to beat him and then Zaghe adjusts mid-fight and closes the show.

Chris Byrd aint even all that special, so take Calzaghes ball out of your mouth. Roy Was old is Shot, BHop Made Calzaghe look like the ***** he is. Eubank Was Washed up. Jeff Lacy and Kessler are both Garbage like i have stated. Lacy was suppose to be the next big thing with no good wins on his record. But we found out he was nothing, and Kessler aint **** but a weak resume ******. Thats that

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I always say this, but Calzaghe actually fought more Americans than any other nation in his title defences.

He did fight Americans, but they are all D level Journey men in my opinion. I mean look at their fights, and some of these guys you never even heard of if, even if you are a die hard fan.

He did fight Americans, but they are all D level Journey men in my opinion. I mean look at their fights, and some of these guys you never even heard of if, even if you are a die hard fan.

Well I think Hopkins's record gets pumped up too, he fought a lot of nobodies.

But I agree Calz never really fought anyone of note that often (I do think his record is slightly better than the average NSB poster appears to, however).

But it's important to acknowledge the myth of Calzaghe "fighting euro's his hole career, lamo, pwn!"

After he won the vacant WBO belt only 8 of his next 23 fights were against European opponents.

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Nobody said Calzaghe was a bum, people say Calzaghe has an overrated record, based on a controversial win against a veteran, a win over a super shot ATG and two good but not incredible fighters: Kessler and Lacy.
Some people act like he did beat Toney, Mclellan, RJJ, McCallum and Hopkins in their prime.

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Well I think Hopkins's record gets pumped up too, he fought a lot of nobodies.

But I agree Calz never really fought anyone of note that often (I do think his record is slightly better than the average NSB poster appears to, however).

But it's important to acknowledge the myth of Calzaghe "fighting euro's his hole career, lamo, pwn!"

After he won the vacant WBO belt only 8 of his next 23 fights were against European opponents.

I think that alone should clear up the whole "bias" issue. People judge his record based on what he's done and who he did it against, not what country he's from.

Typical Calzaghe debate:

Hater: Calzaghe fought bums his whole career

Nuthugger: Americans don't like him because he's not American

So ******...

I think that alone should clear up the whole "bias" issue. People judge his record based on what he's done and who he did it against, not what country he's from.

Typical Calzaghe debate:

Hater: Calzaghe fought bums his whole career

Nuthugger: Americans don't like him because he's not American

So ******...

I'm not entirely sure how the reply relates to my quoted post.

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I'm not entirely sure how the reply relates to my quoted post.

Well i think your post supports the notion that he is judged on merit. If indeed he fought so many Americans during his title reign then the issue isn't nationality but quality of opposition.

We used to debate Calzaghe so much several months ago - I thought some of this stuff was put to rest but it's amazing to me to hear people bring up nationality as if it matters.

I will say this though... I think it's a (exaggerated, maybe) legitimate point to state that certain fighters are better regarded because of where they originate, irrespective of achievement.

Before his LHW reign then the biggest names Hopkins had fought were either much smaller men or men who had beaten him. To suggest that a cagey, low-output middleweight who fouls continually and whose major gameplan is to neutralise his opponent from getting off punches would be as regarded if he weren't American seems a stretch.

The same with Floyd... although his skills are admirable, kids don't generally get off on defensive-first counterpunchers. His trash talk persona helps this, of course, as does that whole silly "P4P" thing that kids like to get behind.

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I will say this though... I think it's a (exaggerated, maybe) legitimate point to state that certain fighters are better regarded because of where they originate, irrespective of achievement.

Before his LHW reign then the biggest names Hopkins had fought were either much smaller men or men who had beaten him. To suggest that a cagey, low-output middleweight who fouls continually and whose major gameplan is to neutralise his opponent from getting off punches would be as regarded if he weren't American seems a stretch.

The same with Floyd... although his skills are admirable, kids don't generally get off on defensive-first counterpunchers. His trash talk persona helps this, of course, as does that whole silly "P4P" thing that kids like to get behind.

When did Hopkins become a "cagey, low-output middleweight?" What, int he last 2 years of his reign? That's not how he fought for the majority of his career at 160 so why bring it up?

Well i think your post supports the notion that he is judged on merit. If indeed he fought so many Americans during his title reign then the issue isn't nationality but quality of opposition.

We used to debate Calzaghe so much several months ago - I thought some of this stuff was put to rest but it's amazing to me to hear people bring up nationality as if it matters.

Well I'm split down the middle on it. I think partly he is judged on merit, and he could have done more with his career.

But at the same time a lot of it is judged on ignorance... so many times I've read that he mainly fought "euros" during his title reign, whereas the fact of the matter is that nearly two-thirds of his opponents during that reign were from outside that continent. He actually fought more Americans than Europeans, and that's not even including Hopkins and (shot) Roy.

And agreed, this thread is aincent. I don't even know why I posted in it tbh.