I've drawn the conclusion that JMM is REALLY the P4P Number 1.

[shogunn]

Wow, even though I've explained it in clear coherent English, you either still don't get it, or are too stubborn to admit it. It's no use trying to talk sense to someone like you.

hah ok. Now its wrong for me to have an opinion. You tried to use your opinion as fact, I called you out and you got butt hurt about it. Im sorry if your reading comprehension skills arent up to par as you think they are.

By the same token, I don't put Manny's over JMM's. I'll call it even, as many credible boxing experts would agree is a fair assessment of JMM and Pac at this point.

boxing experts agree that Manny's resume is better than JMM's, thus him being #1 P4P across the board. So no, that would not be a fair assesment of them being even.

[syphillis]

24 of 24 first-place votes goes to Pac.

http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news?slu...yhoo&type=lgns

[Doc Holliday]

hah ok. Now its wrong for me to have an opinion. You tried to use your opinion as fact, I called you out and you got butt hurt about it. Im sorry if your reading comprehension skills arent up to par as you think they are.




boxing experts agree that Manny's resume is better than JMM's, thus him being #1 P4P across the board. So no, that would not be a fair assesment of them being even.

When did I try to use my opinion as a fact? All I did was give my opinion. And when did I say it was wrong for you to have an opinion? I never even asked you why you think Pac is lb 4 lb.

You keep asking how JMM's wins are better than Pac's, I explained it, and you ask the same question again. There's no need to repeat myself. You'll just keep going in circles.

[shogunn]

When did I try to use my opinion as a fact? All I did was give my opinion. And when did I say it was wrong for you to have an opinion? I never even asked you why you think Pac is lb 4 lb.

You keep asking how JMM's wins are better than Pac's, I explained it, and you ask the same question again. There's no need to repeat myself. You'll just keep going in circles.

did you just ignore what I quoted? Youre now repeating things many posts ago.

you said experts agree with you that JMM and Manny's resumes are even, thus them being Even P4P. syphillis just posted that he's listed P4P#1 on 1 site, and probably everywhere.

Wouldnt that make that a lie when you said boxing experts agree with you that Manny and JMM's resumes are even? P4P rankings show Manny as #1. unless your "boxing experts" are just some guys you know.

[Doc Holliday]

did you just ignore what I quoted? Youre now repeating things many posts ago.

you said experts agree with you that JMM and Manny's resumes are even, thus them being Even P4P. syphillis just posted that he's listed P4P#1 on 1 site, and probably everywhere.

Wouldnt that make that a lie when you said boxing experts agree with you that Manny and JMM's resumes are even? P4P rankings show Manny as #1. unless your "boxing experts" are just some guys you know.

When did I say that experts agree that their resumes are even? I said most experts would agree that Pacquiao and JMM being even is a fair assessment., not that they have them even themselves. In other words, some experts would say Pac is #1, others may have JMM, some may even say Hopkins, but any of those could agree that my opinion that these two fighters are even is a fair assessment.

Other than that, all that's happened here is you've been asking why I think they're even, I've explained it to you, and you ask me to compare their fights again or try to make up a side argument. Even better, you try to prove your points by saying that most lb 4 lb lists have Pac as #1, when I started by saying I don't agree with those lists. So much for your reading comprehension.

[shogunn]

When did I say that experts agree that their resumes are even? I said most experts would agree that Pacquiao and JMM being even is a fair assessment not that they have them even themselves. In other words, some experts would say Pac is #1, others may have JMM, some may even say Hopkins,

So much for your reading comprehension.

hah...read that and reassess your reading comprehension.

They have Manny ranked #1, not even with JMM. Where do you see JMM and Hopkins ranked #1?

If that were the case you'd see JMM ranked #1 somehwere, (like you said) I dont know where, but Manny is #1 across the board. its your OPINION that'd it'd be a fair assessment to think that. All they show is rankings, and your pulling something out of nothing.

now, i'll say Most experts agree that Manny is #1 over JMM. 1 or 2 experts thinkin they are even like you claim doesn't solidify your arguement.


so, to reiterate my point.

By the same token, I don't put Manny's over JMM's. I'll call it even, as many credible boxing experts would agree is a fair assessment of JMM and Pac at this point.

full of ****.

[Danny Gunz]

Pac just got shipped down to number 3 on my list.

1. JMM
2. Hopkins
3. Pacman
4. Mayweather
5. Mosley
6. Cotto
7. Williams
8. Linares
9. Vic The Lobster
10. JuanMa

Spoken like a true mayweather fan....

All I have to say is I dont really know you but thread after thread you continually lose my respect... well done.

[Doc Holliday]

hah...read that and reassess your reading comprehension.

They have Manny ranked #1, not even with JMM. Where do you see JMM and Hopkins ranked #1?

If that were the case you'd see JMM ranked #1 somehwere, (like you said) I dont know where, but Manny is #1 across the board. its your OPINION that'd it'd be a fair assessment to think that. All they show is rankings, and your pulling something out of nothing.

now, i'll say Most experts agree that Manny is #1 over JMM. 1 or 2 experts thinkin they are even like you claim doesn't solidify your arguement.


so, to reiterate my point.



full of ****.

Again, trying to bring up a side argument on whether or not experts can see things their way, but can agree that personally having JMM and Pac even is a fair assessment. Or a reasonable conclusion.

So you're saying I should find a list that has JMM and Pac together at the top. There's no such thing. So if I were to tell most boxing experts my opinion is that they're even, there wouldn't be a good part of them that can consider it a reasonable opinion, regardless of what they think?

[shogunn]

Again, trying to bring up a side argument on whether or not experts can see things their way, but can agree that personally having JMM and Pac even is a fair assessment. Or a reasonable conclusion.

So you're saying I should find a list that has JMM and Pac together at the top. There's no such thing. So if I were to tell most boxing experts my opinion is that they're even, there wouldn't be a good part of them that can consider it a reasonable opinion, regardless of what they think?

funny..now youre backtracking. You just told me that they agree they'd be even, but where you pulled that from, I have no idea. no source whatsoever....

I only brought it up because you asked "when have I ever tried to use my opinion as fact" and tried to deny everything till you were blue in the face. Now we know...

[Doc Holliday]

funny..now youre backtracking. You just told me that they agree they'd be even, but where you pulled that from, I have no idea. no source whatsoever....

I only brought it up because you asked "when have I ever tried to use my opinion as fact" and tried to deny everything till you were blue in the face. Now we know...

I don't see how I'm backtracking. It's been there in plain English from the beginning. I never said anyone has them even, just that they would agree it's reasonable to think so. You're the one who's trying to make it seem like I said something I didn't.