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    #61
    Originally posted by vandiar
    Tarver has downplayed the weight issue, despite being asked about it incessantly, especially in light of Jose Luis Castillo's failure to make weight last week for his third fight with Diego Corrales and the shocking cancellation of the bout.

    "Part of our job," Tarver said about making weight. "I mean, we've got to lose weight. We all lose weight. That's not a problem. Only people like Roy Jones make excuses."

    Jones was light heavyweight champion when he moved up and beat John Ruiz to win a heavyweight title. Then he came back down to light heavyweight to fight Tarver. Although Jones won their first fight on a close decision, he said his poor performance was because of the strain of losing so much weight.


    Tarver said rather than people worrying about him losing weight, they should think instead about how Hopkins will react to being punched by a much bigger man.

    "He's not used to carrying that weight around," Tarver said. "When I go to the body, dig to the body, stay in close, let my hands go and he's going to have to move around and carry that weigh, I don't know what Bernard is going to do. What does he have to defend himself against me?

    "That's what the puzzle is. That's the question. What will he do when he gets smashed with my right hook, with my body shots and my combination punches? What is he going to do when he hasn't felt anything like that before? That remains to be seen. What we will find out early on."

    Tarver, who now denies he was ever 218 pounds, said he would be on weight for the fight with Hopkins thanks to the help of strength and conditioning coach Dudley Pierce, who worked with Tarver through his entire training camp in Vero Beach, Fla.

    "I don't have a problem with it," Tarver said of the weight. "I'm lean, mean, I'm ready to go. I've got no excuses, no problems. I don't have a problem. I'm ready."


    Tarver does admit that cutting weight is difficult, but he said he gave himself ample time to come down safely.

    "It has been hard work, but I've never been afraid of it," Tarver said. "I look at it as a challenge. I train three times a day. I'm in great shape, unbelievable condition. The thing about this, that people fail to realize, is that I've been training since the middle of October. Do you think I was sitting around eating donuts out there with Sylvester Stallone? I was working out with one of the most revered trainers on the West Coast, Gunner Peterson, and we worked hard. We worked hard to put on the muscles. We lifted weights, we did exercises, we worked. And so, that's the key that people are going to fail to realize. I've been training since the middle of October for this fight."
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    Antonio Tarver, who bulked up for Sylvester Stallone's "Rocky Balboa," downplayed dropping to 175 to face Bernard Hopkins, Dan Rafael writes.


    If Tarver isn't making any excuses.. why should anyone else?
    straight from the horse's mouth.

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    • Benny Leonard
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      #62
      Originally posted by vandiar
      Tarver has downplayed the weight issue, despite being asked about it incessantly, especially in light of Jose Luis Castillo's failure to make weight last week for his third fight with Diego Corrales and the shocking cancellation of the bout.

      "Part of our job," Tarver said about making weight. "I mean, we've got to lose weight. We all lose weight. That's not a problem. Only people like Roy Jones make excuses."

      Jones was light heavyweight champion when he moved up and beat John Ruiz to win a heavyweight title. Then he came back down to light heavyweight to fight Tarver. Although Jones won their first fight on a close decision, he said his poor performance was because of the strain of losing so much weight.


      Tarver said rather than people worrying about him losing weight, they should think instead about how Hopkins will react to being punched by a much bigger man.

      "He's not used to carrying that weight around," Tarver said. "When I go to the body, dig to the body, stay in close, let my hands go and he's going to have to move around and carry that weigh, I don't know what Bernard is going to do. What does he have to defend himself against me?

      "That's what the puzzle is. That's the question. What will he do when he gets smashed with my right hook, with my body shots and my combination punches? What is he going to do when he hasn't felt anything like that before? That remains to be seen. What we will find out early on."

      Tarver, who now denies he was ever 218 pounds, said he would be on weight for the fight with Hopkins thanks to the help of strength and conditioning coach Dudley Pierce, who worked with Tarver through his entire training camp in Vero Beach, Fla.

      "I don't have a problem with it," Tarver said of the weight. "I'm lean, mean, I'm ready to go. I've got no excuses, no problems. I don't have a problem. I'm ready."


      Tarver does admit that cutting weight is difficult, but he said he gave himself ample time to come down safely.

      "It has been hard work, but I've never been afraid of it," Tarver said. "I look at it as a challenge. I train three times a day. I'm in great shape, unbelievable condition. The thing about this, that people fail to realize, is that I've been training since the middle of October. Do you think I was sitting around eating donuts out there with Sylvester Stallone? I was working out with one of the most revered trainers on the West Coast, Gunner Peterson, and we worked hard. We worked hard to put on the muscles. We lifted weights, we did exercises, we worked. And so, that's the key that people are going to fail to realize. I've been training since the middle of October for this fight."
      --
      Antonio Tarver, who bulked up for Sylvester Stallone's "Rocky Balboa," downplayed dropping to 175 to face Bernard Hopkins, Dan Rafael writes.


      If Tarver isn't making any excuses.. why should anyone else?
      There's a difference between how you feel you are going to be then how you are on fight-night.

      You can lie to yourself all you want...people around to you can stay blind and lie to you all they want...but on fight-night, the truth will be exposed and that truth is (for this particular topic)....Did you really stay healthy making the weight?

      And Tarver isn't making any excuses because it would discredit what he said to Jones Jr....and his wins over Roy.

      Losing to Hopkins isn't as big of a deal as beating Roy Jones Jr prior.


      Fighters lose weight for fights, true, but how is Tarver to know how the that much weight-loss is going to effect him unless he has gone up that high before and looked good in recent times (since we factor in age as well)?

      Tarver is basing it on how he felt in the past with losing weight (which was less) and on not thinking Roy's "excuse" was valid despite what history has shown us with other examples of fighters doing the same.
      Last edited by Benny Leonard; 07-13-2009, 03:26 PM.

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        #63
        Originally posted by Benny Leonard
        There's a difference between how you feel you are going to be then how you are on fight-night.

        You can lie to yourself all you want...people around to you can stay blind and lie to you all they want...but on fight-night, the truth will be exposed and that truth is (for this particular topic)....Did you really stay healthy making the weight?

        And Tarver isn't making any excuses because it would discredit what he said to Jones Jr....and his wins over Roy.

        Losing to Hopkins isn't as big of a deal as beating Roy Jones Jr prior.
        Ok so Tarver is lying to himself, but you know the truth regarding his weight?

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          #64
          every fighter whose ever lost because of weight drain... has said they were in perfect condition

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            #65
            Originally posted by street bully
            Ok so Tarver is lying to himself, but you know the truth regarding his weight?
            Yes...Fighters lie to themselves a lot. You actually have to in order to step into the ring. Ego and Money can do wonders.
            People around you will even lie to you to keep their jobs. The truth is revealed on fight-night and no hiding that. Tarver didn't look right to me from the start and it was noticeable more and more as the fight went on and it wasn't like Hopkins was laying the pressure on him like Johnson did.

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              #66
              go interview holyfield... he will tell u he is just as good now as he was in the 90's

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                #67
                Originally posted by ИATAS206
                when hopkins schools someone that person is either weight drained, blown up, or poisoned (that was Tarvers excuse!).

                when hopkins loses, he's never old or past his prime.

                Give me a break. Lot's of hating on bhop today, what gives?

                And for the record, hopkins schools tarver AT ANY POINT of his career. Styles makes fights, as it's so commonly said, and tarver's style is so, so wrong for hopkins. He's tailer made for bhop, just like pavlik, tito and glen johnson are as well. In fact, ANY simple style or fighters that rely on teh same old tricks (power, etc.) are easy for hopkins. The ONLY guys to beat him are guys that have been able to adapt to hopkins and outwork him in the judges eyes. Tarver was never that kind of guy in his career.
                And I've argued that point as well. I thought Hopkins was already past his peak when he lost to Taylor and on....

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                  #68
                  Tarver may have been weight drained, but he remained permanantly affected since that fight. He's performed on the same level ever since losing to Hopkins, aside from the Dawson rematch, which he only performed better in becuase he's the "king of the rematches". So in my book I'd just call him past his prime. Same with Jones following the Ruiz fight. They never were the same again.

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                    #69
                    tarver is garbage...he was bottom line not as motivated for hopkins, dawson, johnson, etc. as he was for jones...he was probably counting on hopkins being slow at 175 but didn't count on him being a natural lightheavy...

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                      #70
                      Originally posted by reedickyaluss
                      every fighter whose ever lost because of weight drain... has said they were in perfect condition
                      An RJJ fan is saying this?

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