Manny Pacquiao: "The Miguel Cotto Fight is 80% Done"

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1) I did say the victory over Baldomir was more impressive. Its only relative, however, because Baldomir fought stiffs most of his career and has lost TWELVE times and has SIX draws. So don't tell me he is above Cotto. He had a significant but very brief run at the top and that is all. Im not diminishing him. Im just being objective and I, in fact, rooted for him. It was a good story.

2) Overall, Floyd obviously has had a better career so far. His is longer too. I did specify post 135 lb Mayweather. He was amazing at 135 but not so much since then:

He only fought THREE times at 140: Corley, Bruseles, and Gatti. Impressed? And we know what he's done at 147: Gatti, Mitchel, Judah, Baldomir, and then Hatton. Does that list really impress you? Be honest.

3) Hatton is not effective at 147 and had Mayweather fought him at 140, like Pac did, I would have been more impressed. Collazo demonstrated that and there's a reason why Hatton went back down. His limited mauling style did not work with bigger guys. Good victory for Mayweather? Yes. But to me Pac's is bigger even though Hatton was older. Thats just my opinion.

Mayweather fought Gatti at 140 not 147. And on top of that Cotto
was going to fight Gatti at 147 if Gatti would have beaten Baldomir,
bet you didn't know that right? So that would have been 3 fighters
Cotto fought after Floyd but it stands at 2. For the record, all of
Cotto's opponents at 140 and 147 is not that impressive either.
With exception to Mosley and Clottey who else has he really
fought? Margarito? He sealed his fate with the plaster but Cotto
did fight him so ok, will give him that. But Oktay, Gomez and Jennings?
Come on man, your acting like Cotto fought all elite fighters his whole
career.

[Talisayen]

I don't know if you cut and paste or not but what I do know is that
you come off as a cool guy so I'm with that, no matter if your a
Floyd/Mosley/Cotto/Williams fan or whatever. I'm not keen on
disrespect towards me at all because I never come off like that.
All I do is voice my opinion about fighters and for some reason
Cotto fans can bash EVERY OTHER FIGHTER but when someone
says something negative or critique Cotto then **** hits the fan
and i don't feel like that's right and exact.

Mr. Editor what do you meant by "I'm not keen on
disrespect towards me at all because I never come off like that."

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[/QUOTE] Mayweather fought Gatti at 140 not 147. And on top of that Cotto was going to fight Gatti at 147 if Gatti would have beaten Baldomir,bet you didn't know that right? So that would have been 3 fighters Cotto fought after Floyd but it stands at 2. For the record, all of Cotto's opponents at 140 and 147 is not that impressive either.
With exception to Mosley and Clottey who else has he really
fought? Margarito? He sealed his fate with the plaster but Cotto
did fight him so ok, will give him that. But Oktay, Gomez and Jennings?
Come on man, your acting like Cotto fought all elite fighters his whole
career. [/QUOTE]

My mistake on Gatti but it doesn't really change anything. And regarding your last sentence I have to emphasize that that is not what I'm trying to say. Like any other fighter he has fought a lot of good/mediocre fighters as well. But he's fought better competition overall at 140 and 147 than Mayweather has. So has Shane, so has PWill; so has Margacheato in fact. I dont want to engage in a Cotto vs. Mayweather argument. My whole point is that Mayweather hasnt fought the best. Im not a Cotto fanatic - in the fanatical sense of the word - or a Mayweather hater. I want to Mayweather to face the cream of the crop and see his tremendous skills on display against the best before buying his GOAT crap. If he wants to be the best of his generation he has to go out and prove it. Thats all.

Mr. Editor what do you meant by "I'm not keen on
disrespect towards me at all because I never come off like that."

Thats not me bro. Ill lay off since its obvious from your conjugations that english is not your first language. My bad. Its, what do you MEAN by....

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Mayweather fought Gatti at 140 not 147. And on top of that Cotto was going to fight Gatti at 147 if Gatti would have beaten Baldomir,bet you didn't know that right? So that would have been 3 fighters Cotto fought after Floyd but it stands at 2. For the record, all of Cotto's opponents at 140 and 147 is not that impressive either.
With exception to Mosley and Clottey who else has he really
fought? Margarito? He sealed his fate with the plaster but Cotto
did fight him so ok, will give him that. But Oktay, Gomez and Jennings?
Come on man, your acting like Cotto fought all elite fighters his whole
career. [/QUOTE]

My mistake on Gatti but it doesn't really change anything. And regarding your last sentence I have to emphasize that that is not what I'm trying to say. Like any other fighter he has fought a lot of good/mediocre fighters as well. But he's fought better competition overall at 140 and 147 than Mayweather has. So has Shane, so has PWill; so has Margacheato in fact. I dont want to engage in a Cotto vs. Mayweather argument. My whole point is that Mayweather hasnt fought the best. Im not a Cotto fanatic - in the fanatical sense of the word - or a Mayweather hater. I want to Mayweather to face the cream of the crop and see his tremendous skills on display against the best before buying his GOAT crap. If he wants to be the best of his generation he has to go out and prove it. Thats all.

Thats not me bro. Ill lay off since its obvious from your conjugations that english is not your first language. My bad. Its, what do you MEAN by....

Cotto at 140

Victoriano Sosa. (Floyd beat him first at LW)
Lovemore N'dou.
Randall Bailey
Demarcus Corley (Floyd beat him first at 140)
Mohamed Abdulaev
Paul Malignaggi.

Floyd Mayweather Jr opponents at 140

Demarcus Corley
Henry Bruseles
Arturo Gatti

The only leverage Cotto has over Floyd is that he
fought there longer. 2 of Cotto's opponents Floyd
beat prior. The only difference between Cotto/Floyd
at 140 is that Floyd WON his title at 140 and Cotto
earned his VACANTLY.

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Cotto at 140

Victoriano Sosa. (Floyd beat him first at LW)
Lovemore N'dou.
Randall Bailey
Demarcus Corley (Floyd beat him first at 140)
Mohamed Abdulaev
Paul Malignaggi.

Floyd Mayweather Jr opponents at 140

Demarcus Corley
Henry Bruseles
Arturo Gatti

The only leverage Cotto has over Floyd is that he
fought there longer. 2 of Cotto's opponents Floyd
beat prior. The only difference between Cotto/Floyd
at 140 is that Floyd WON his title at 140 and Cotto
earned his VACANTLY.

Bruseles was a terrible fighter. Saw him live many times and that fight was a joke. Gatti was an extremely, extremely limited boxir with a great heart. A great fighter, not a boxer. But what about 147? Actually forget about. I answered your question and I guess we can end it like this: Are you happy with Mayweather's post-135 opposition? Does it qualify as "beating the best?"

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I didn't jump into the conversation, I replied to your post, wasn't
personal at all, I don't rock on here like that. I agree and want to
see Floyd fight more at 147 but that doesn't take away from what
he has accomplished already. Floyd career spans longer than Cotto
so Floyd has fought his tough challenges at his lower weights and
and began earning his fame and $ at 140/147. Cotto is earning his
at 147, doesn't make Cotto more accomplished or better reputation
wise than Floyd because Floyd is already considered a Hall Of Famer
and Cotto is not.

Maywether total oponents numbers:
1007 wins 183 lost 35 draws Winning % of 82.2

Cotto's Total oponents numbers:
852 wins 158 lost 18 draws Winning % 82.8

Maywethers KO % 64.1
Cotto's Ko % 77.14
Common oponents
Demarcus Corley:
PBF victory by UD
Cotto won By KO (5th)

Zab Judah:
PBF victory by UD
Cotto won by KO (11th)

By any means this means that Cotto has more legacy or accomplishments than Mayweather, neither that he's a Hall of Famer, but he's well on his way. Keep in mind that PBF is 3 years older and his pro debut was in 1996 while Cotto's was in 2001. Not to mention that Cotto had to overcome a career threating injury to his arm after a car accident.

With 2 more victories over the opponents that Cotto's about to face will open the door for the Hall of Fame.

Comparing Cotto's 1st year in boxing to PBF same time period of years (1st years) we are looking at the same type of success with the difference of 1 lost (Cotto) which we all know has a cloud over it.

True PBF has more accomplishments until now, but Cotto is not that far away like a lot of people might think and in a shorter time period.

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Maywether total oponents numbers:
1007 wins 183 lost 35 draws Winning % of 82.2

Cotto's Total oponents numbers:
852 wins 158 lost 18 draws Winning % 82.8

Maywethers KO % 64.1
Cotto's Ko % 77.14
Common oponents
Demarcus Corley:
PBF victory by UD
Cotto won By KO (5th)

Zab Judah:
PBF victory by UD
Cotto won by KO (11th)

By any means this means that Cotto has more legacy or accomplishments than Mayweather, neither that he's a Hall of Famer, but he's well on his way. Keep in mind that PBF is 3 years older and his pro debut was in 1996 while Cotto's was in 2001. Not to mention that Cotto had to overcome a career threating injury to his arm after a car accident.

With 2 more victories over the opponents that Cotto's about to face will open the door for the Hall of Fame.

Comparing Cotto's 1st year in boxing to PBF same time period of years (1st years) we are looking at the same type of success with the difference of 1 lost (Cotto) which we all know has a cloud over it.

True PBF has more accomplishments until now, but Cotto is not that far away like a lot of people might think and in a shorter time period.

I already said that Miguel Cotto has the potential to become a HOF
BUT you should be agreeing that Miguel Cotto needs to win titles from
champions. If you look at it...... .why is Manny considered great?
Because he has moved through divisions defeated champions and
defended his titles, same as Floyd. These fighters became P4P the
best because they won belts by defeating opposition. Same with
Mosley and De La Hoya......I know that it may not mean anything
to you but if Cotto is to be considered in the HOF he has to do
a lot more. For Cotto to get a HOF look, he would potentially have
to beat Manny and Mosley (Again) for the WW title. Cotto NEEDS
to win a title not a Vacant one! Am I wrong for saying that?

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Maywether total oponents numbers:
1007 wins 183 lost 35 draws Winning % of 82.2

Cotto's Total oponents numbers:
852 wins 158 lost 18 draws Winning % 82.8

Maywethers KO % 64.1
Cotto's Ko % 77.14
Common oponents
Demarcus Corley:
PBF victory by UD
Cotto won By KO (5th)

Zab Judah:
PBF victory by UD
Cotto won by KO (11th)

By any means this means that Cotto has more legacy or accomplishments than Mayweather, neither that he's a Hall of Famer, but he's well on his way. Keep in mind that PBF is 3 years older and his pro debut was in 1996 while Cotto's was in 2001. Not to mention that Cotto had to overcome a career threating injury to his arm after a car accident.

With 2 more victories over the opponents that Cotto's about to face will open the door for the Hall of Fame.

Comparing Cotto's 1st year in boxing to PBF same time period of years (1st years) we are looking at the same type of success with the difference of 1 lost (Cotto) which we all know has a cloud over it.

True PBF has more accomplishments until now, but Cotto is not that far away like a lot of people might think and in a shorter time period.

Whether it's by KO or UD, Floyd has beaten 3 fighters before Cotto
fought them. Take into consideration that Cotto wasn't ready for
Floyd at 140 and Hatton passed on the fight as well. Can't really
say Cotto had a better run at 140 also considering Cotto fought
more in the division but STILL wasn't ready for Floyd?

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Cotto at 140

Victoriano Sosa. (Floyd beat him first at LW)
Lovemore N'dou.
Randall Bailey
Demarcus Corley (Floyd beat him first at 140)
Mohamed Abdulaev
Paul Malignaggi.

Floyd Mayweather Jr opponents at 140

Demarcus Corley
Henry Bruseles
Arturo Gatti

The only leverage Cotto has over Floyd is that he
fought there longer. 2 of Cotto's opponents Floyd
beat prior. The only difference between Cotto/Floyd
at 140 is that Floyd WON his title at 140 and Cotto
earned his VACANTLY.

Bruseles was a terrible fighter. Saw him live many times and that fight was a joke. Gatti was an extremely, extremely limited boxir with a great heart. A great fighter, not a boxer. But what about 147? Actually forget about. I answered your question and I guess we can end it like this: Are you happy with Mayweather's post-135 opposition? Does it qualify as "beating the best?"

Bruseles was trained by Evangelista Cotto and Miguel Cotto
helped train Bruseles for the Mayweather fight by sparring with
him. At 147 Cotto has had a better run but Floyd fought the top
guys with the titles at his time. Ain't about if I'm happy or not
it's about what is real or not. I am a Boxing fan, so of course
I want to see Floyd fight more but I won't **** on his career because
of one division ESPECIALLY since he has been dominant since 130.

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Anyway, enough about Floyd and Cotto. Lets just hope that they
mix it up sometime next year. It's a possibility especially IF Cotto
beats Pacquiao, then I'm sure Floyd will want a piece of Cotto.
That 24/7 would be epic because them two have a history and need
to settle the score. If Pacquiao beats Cotto then I don't see Cotto
getting a fight with Floyd BUT I wouldn't mind seeing Cotto/Mosley 2
for all the marbles at 147.