Manny Pacquiao: "The Miguel Cotto Fight is 80% Done"

[v.cassiusali@ya]

at whatever catchweight, from 140-147, cotto is the sure... loser!

[youreffinkaput]

at whatever catchweight, from 140-147, cotto is the sure... loser!

your post is an instant classic; during the suspense between the multiple periods, **** - i thought i wouldn't make it!

[Talisayen]

at whatever catchweight, from 140-147, cotto is the sure... loser!

That's a fact, Miguel Cotto will take a knee in the 6th round.

[GRUSTLER]

You better read them. You have lots of posts to reply. One Cotto fan asked why Floyd chose Judah over Margarito when Margarito offered bigger guaranteed MONEY.

Good Luck!

I just came home early in the morning drunk that's why I didn't
answer them but you guys know me by now, I never turn down
a good debate. I will handle everyone accordingly. The reason
Floyd chose Judah over Margarito was because he had a deal in
place to fight Zab Judah when Zab was the UNDISPUTED WW
champion after beating Cory Spinks. Floyd couldn't get Ricky
Hatton at 140 so he relinquished his title at that division and
moved up to WW. Zab lost to Carlos Baldomir and the fight
was in trouble because NOBODY expected Zab to lose that
fight but it still went down but Floyd and Zab peoples reworked
the contract. The question you need to ask is how come
Margarito didn't fight Zab or Baldomir for the titles?

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actually prsi and boxeo_boricua made valid points.

your cop out isn't original in the least.

I just came home like 8am and didn't read everything but I saw
all the replies and think it's great because there are more people
to break down! I was tired and a lil tipsy but will read every reply
and leave my thoughts.

[GRUSTLER]

If Manny Pacquiao would had gone thru all those divisions, fighting all the fighters that he has fought, but would had wone all the titles while being vacant titles at the moment, he would still be great as he is. Am i Wrong for saying that???

If PBF would had fought all the boxers and champion that he has beaten in vacant title fights too, He will still be as great as he is.
Am I wrong for saying that??

Once again it is who you fought, not how you won the titles. The great boxers careers are always measured by the quality of their oponents not how they won the titles. True that the quantity of title also influnce and add to you legacy but if you win 5 vacant titles (not saying Cotto has 5 title this is just an example) and defend and win them against the best (Mosley, Zab Judah, PBF, Pacquiao, Clottey, Margarito) does that mean the that if a class B boxer beat fighters like, Baldomir, Collazo, Quintana, Urkal for their current title, is greater than the one who has 5 vacant titles victories but the quality of his opponents are class B boxers. No way, that Class B fighter will need to defend his non-vacant title won against the best. Am I wrong for saying that???

I beleive I've proven my point on this matter. Pacquiao and PBF are great not because the won non-vacant titles, they are great because of all the titles that they have one and against who they have won and defended the titles.

Say no more. That was point all along. While Cotto has a
great resume at 147, he hasn't done this yet so it will not
influence the Boxing historians until he does. If he won all
his titles by beating the Champions I bet he would be rated
higher on the P4P list and closer to HOF status. Not matter
what! Every great champion or Boxing great has beaten
a Champion for their title and won numerous belts in different
divisions EXCEPT Miguel Cotto.......You don't see nothing wrong
with that?

[GRUSTLER]

But remember that this is BOXINGSCENE, anybody will bring up anybody even if the thread is FAR from them.

I know and I have no problem with that but a guy literally cursed me
out because I brought up Floyd on this thread and another but someone
else had mentioned him first and I replied.

[GRUSTLER]

Wow, you just made your own argument against yourself. You say bring up the 140lb division top 3 rank people that Floyd fought and you didn't even name a single person. All Floyd fans bring up the Castillo fight and that is expected to mean Floyd has fought the best of the best. That was his only REAL challenge at any weight, look what I put in bold. Cotto has struggled against people at or above his level, well no f u c king **** Sherlock its because he's fought the BEST, people who are as good or better than him. Isn't that what makes you a great fighter? Also, if you beat that person wouldn't that make you better than them if you won the fight? Of course it does, so Floyd has no BUSINESS saying he is better than any of these guys because he hasn't even fought them. He hasn't fought anyone of ANY relevance as a threat to him in basically ever. I mean jesus, you OBVIOUSLY a Mayweather fan can only name one fight, you asked us to look for a high rank person at 140 his fought.

As far as you incredibly ****** argument that because someone beats some decisively and/or is in a real battle against them shouldn't matter that person still won. Just because someone has an easier time over someone else means nothing as to the fact that they are better. You have to look at the competition they've fought. As for the Judah win for Mayweather he looked good because he is THAT kind of fighter, a slick fighter who isn't open to get hit with punches and he counters mistakes. Cotto ISN'T that kind of fighter he puts pressure on you until you break they are completely different styles with different results. As for Cotto's tactics in the Judah fight, the first low blow was an accident you could see in the reply that his head got pushed down, the second one where he got busted open, that was definitely on purpose. I think it was more of a shock though because he had done it once already, but meh... Karma's a ***** I didn't really feel bad for Judah after what he did to Mayweather. I don't agree with Cotto doing it, but because he did it to Judah I didn't much care.

I hear you bro! And for the record I didn't feel bad for Judah either
when Cotto **** on his nuts. I think Miguel Cotto has an impressive
record at 147 but he is far from the best and for the record Castillo
and Mayweather fought at 135.

[Boxeo_Boricua]

I just came home like 8am and didn't read everything but I saw
all the replies and think it's great because there are more people
to break down! I was tired and a lil tipsy but will read every reply
and leave my thoughts.

Never replied to mine after someone told you I guess you knew I was right.

[prsi]

Say no more. That was point all along. While Cotto has a
great resume at 147, he hasn't done this yet so it will not
influence the Boxing historians until he does. If he won all
his titles by beating the Champions I bet he would be rated
higher on the P4P list and closer to HOF status. Not matter
what! Every great champion or Boxing great has beaten
a Champion for their title and won numerous belts in different
divisions EXCEPT Miguel Cotto.......You don't see nothing wrong
with that?

You wisely choose only one fragment of my post but never answer any of the questions. Let me put it this way to see if you can see it better.

If JMM beats PBF, which by the way will be a non championship fight it will be JMM biggest victory, more bigger than any title fights that he has fought for.
Am I wrong for saying that???? Hell no!!!!

So if Cotto beats Pacman with no title involved and then he fights the winner of PBF and JMM and wins a non title fight will you still discredit him because it was not for a title?? Come on you can do better than that!!!!

And to answer your question, No i don't see nothing wrong with Cotto not
winning titles in different divisions. He has won and defended titles in the 2 divisions that he has fought (140 and 147) he had only 1 fight at 135 and it was his 4th fight as pro.

Do you see something wrong with Marvin Hagler winning and defending his titles for his whole 14 year career in one division (160)????

Most of these fighters that run thru different division start earlier in pro boxing while Cotto grew more in to his body as an amateur were he even fought Ivan Calderon (105 and 108 lb champ), therefore when he turned pro his body had grew and developed more than boxers that start in pro when their body is still growing.