Judge by the Same Standards Who is the BETTER fighter Mayweather or Pacquiao??

[Chuckguy]

I think Floyd is more skilled and can whoop on Pacs ass
does that work?

[Horus]

By facing the toughest opposition available as often as you can.
By giving the fans their money's worth by providing an entertaining fight.

Your standards of undefeated = better is flawed. Greatness is measured by the amount of adversity one faces and overcomes. Mayweather has never allowed himself to be in that position.

QUESTION

From their First Career fight to their current Position now....
who has faced better opposition?

Mayweather or Pacquiao?


You have to remember when Manny Pacquiao was getting Knockout
Floyd Mayweather was winning fighter of the year awards and beat fighters like Genaro Hernandez.

You have to remember pacquiao was 21 years old when he got knock out in the 3 round ....

Ask yourself what was Mayweather doing when he was 21 years old?

I will give you the answer.. He was winning Fighter of the year awards by knocking out fighters like Genaro Hernandez who never lost at 130.
By Knocking out fellow top ranked contenders like Angel Manfredy.

[p4p-champ]

**** pacman and his dehydrating catchweight fights. When Mayweather and Pacman both get into the ring together, you will see why Mayweather was deemed p4p#1 even while Pacman was around making noise.

[mellow_mood]

horus who u got...


cotto or pac?

[Horus]

This is where your argument is weak. They can never be compared like this because
1. At the same age they were in separate weight classes.
2. The circumstances couldn't ever be the same (refer to my previous post)
I say just let them fight to see who's better.

If they fight Pacquiao would not win more than 4 rounds !

[-MAKAVELLI-]

just typing 'fighter' in the same sentence with 'floyd' is funny



floyd is a better BOXER...

[JulVal]

Lol. listen man.
Life isnt fair.
But if you stand Mayweather Career side by side with Pacquiao's Career.
It is not even a contest.



Pacquiao career nor resume doesnt **** on floyd..because if it did Pacquiao wouldnt have recently just got on the Pound for Pound list ojust in 2004..when he has been a pro just 1995..

Floyd was Ranked on Ring Magazine's pound-for-pound list for TEN consecutive years. 10 years.

Pacquiao was has only been on there half of that time.

Floyd has spent Three Years Atop of that List: 2005,2006,2007, End Jun/2008 (retire)
1. 2005: http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.ph..._Ratings:_2005
2. 2006: http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.ph..._Ratings:_2006
3. 2007: http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.ph..._Ratings:_2007

Pacquiao has only spent 1 year ontop of that list..
2008:http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.ph..._Ratings:_2008


be honest with yourself

Imagine if Pacquiao Race produce those kinds of fighters that Floyd had to follow behind.

Do you still think Pacquiao would still be treasured as he is now… or would he just be another great fighter from a race... that has always produce great fighters like Floyd is currently in.

Floyd is a victim of Past Fighters success. Pacquiao Isnt...!
When people want to argue floyd’s greatness who do they compared him with?

They compare him with His predecessors
SRR,SRL, ALI, HEARNS, and so on…


Pacquiao is never judge and compared to fighters like Ali, Hearns, SRL, Jones, Sugar Ray Robinson, Joe Louis, Henry Armstrong, Marvin Hagler, Pernell Whitaker etc when discussing his personal greatness...

Pacquiao gets judge on his own merit because he is the first of his race
to do what he has done. and That right there is the MAJORITY of the reason why people THIS HIS story is so appealing.

Eminem once said that if he was black he wouldnt have sold half the records
he has sold....

Why do you think he said that?
He said it, because if he was black he would have been just another rapper
among a crowd of already great rappers.


Now let's add that logic and reasoning to Pacquiao.
Imagine if Pacquiao came from the same Boxing Lineage as Floyd Mayweather..do you think Manny would have the status he has today.


I will give you my answer:
NO.

Manny Pacquiao is all the Pinnoy have. and that is to his advantage.
The same can not be said of Floyd Mayweather because he comes from a race that produces some many greats that he is just one of the many great champions that are black. and that is to his determent.


So sorry if i dont care if Pac was poor, because you know what.
So was Floyd. Hard work got both of them to where they are today.
but the difference is, one is undefeated and face better overall competetion.
the other isnt and hasnt.

Sorry but I'm going to have to disagree. Manny Pacquiao would still be regarded so highly even if he's from a different race. In fact, he could have been more popular if he was say, American and would garner a lot more PPV views.

Why? Because Pacquiao is a 6 time world champion who's fighthing the best fighters he could fight in any division. He doesn't seem to back away from competition no matter how hard it may seem. He's also a very entertaining fighter. He is also a very humble person and has great sportsmanship.

It's his race actually, is the very reason why a lot of people still doesn't believe in him. It's because he's Filipino that's why he used to have a very small fanbase from the US which would be willing to buy PPV on him vs some other boxer.

On another note, if he was born in the US for example, he could have had more nutrition and he could have had much better training than he have had when he was in his younger years.

Also, you won't dare compare Floyd's poorness to Pacquiao if you know how poor Filipinos are as compared to poor Americans.

[KRITKL]

If they fight Pacquiao would not win more than 4 rounds !

What does that have to do with the topic? I guess you see your argument is weak. That other thing you was saying about him pinoy thats why he's popular, is even weaker. He's popular because he's exciting, doesn't matter where he's from. Then the part where you said they don't have no one to compare him to. C'mon what's the title of this thread you started for christs sake!
oh by the way I have Pac winning more than for rounds.

[Horus]

horus who u got...


cotto or pac?

Mellow truthfully...

I want Cotto to win, just because I have come to admire his work ethic, seriousness for the sport and he has truley earned my respect.
And you know my history with Cotto's career and his fans.

Remember I created the "Cotto is a HUGE ~~> ??" Thread
And I made infamous the vacant belt argument...

So i can honestly say, I was a critic of cotto for valid reasons.

Simply because his fans place standards on other fighters that they didnt even place on cotto... Which made me place tougher standards on cotto than I would have normally have.

I honestly feel Cotto, is the only 1 of 3 fighter right now with the skill, physical , and mental attributes to make a fight with Mayweather competitive.


But what worries me about this fight is I feel Cotto is going to chase Pacquiao around the ring which he should not do, because Pacquiao is a serious enough puncher in which he can hurt cotto.

I have always said this about Cotto.

Cotto Flaws....Of Getting HIT alot , and wasting a lot of punches, Is a flaw you can not afford to have against The Elite Fighters And ESPECIALLY a fighter like Pacquiao... and sadley enough he still gets hit too much.

Cotto Flaws

Swings wide,
Waste Punches,
has a shaky chin
Cant stop straight right hands or uppercuts,
and is under progressing in the lateral movement department.

Cotto has always had a good jab, cotto has always had good speed....Cotto is a good fighter...real good...he is a good body puncher and works hard..


But Pacquiao, is a freak.
PACQUIAO is an offensive fighting machine who overwhelms opponents through blistering hand speed and power. His defense is somewhat suspect since he is a “hit me and I’ll hit you harder” kind of fighter, but his last fights against bigger opponents have shown that he can deflect or absorb heavy punishment.


Manny Pacquaio as of right now belongs in every catergory Floyd Mayweather
jr is in although not better than floyd yet, Manny can soon pass floyd up as the greatest fighter of this generation including Floyd if he continue doing what he is doing. Think about this, Manny Pacquaio has fought in three divisions in one year.

Manny and Floyd have both proven that "Size doesnt win fights" Smarts and Ability win fights


So with that said, I am picking Pacquiao to win.

Reason: Cotto gets hit too much !

[Horus]

btw, I am not ****ing on Pacquiao but compare to Floyd.
I pick Floyd.

For the record I think Pacquiao is an amazing fighter.