Welterweight - 141-147 pounds

[joseph5620]

Then why was Pernell Whitakers belt on the line against JCC at a catchweight of 145? Why was Bernard Hopkins belts on the line against Oscar at a catchweight of 158?

I didn't agree with those either and I've been outspoken about it. Ray Leonard won a lightheavyweight belt witha 168 pound catchweight and I think that was bull****. If it's for the championship there should be NO catchweights. Why should Pac or any other fighter get a chance to win the belt with an advantage the other challengers didn't get? Ray Robinson, Henry Armstrong and Roberto Duran didn't use any catchweights. It's bull**** and always will be IMO.

[Pullcounter]

yea well then y have a catchweight then if pac wins watch him demand a catchweight of 142 to defend the 147 pound belt lol.....thats greatness i guess hes been figtin c+ plus fighter hell have a wake up call against cotto.
then well see pbf vs cotto that'll be awsome!!!!!!111

roach already said 145 lbs is fine. stop being a loser.

the fans should email cotto's team and tell them to not put the belt on the line

yes, all you fans who don't like the catchweight email cotto and tell him to not fight pac.

The absurdity comes from one man being told there is no fight unless he agrees to come in below the actual limit of 147. If Cotto signs, thats on him and no excuses can be made.

But you're being a bit silly if you don't think people have a legitmate gripe about that.

I just have a question, should organizations now allow fighters to start demanding that their opponents agree to catchweights as long as they are below the limit?

If you answer yes, then why even have weight divisions?

your griping is not legitimate because its based on poor knowledge and the fact that cotto is willing to put his belt on the line at 145 lbs should tell you that your gripe is invalid and assinine.

It's a welterweight fight but if the limit is 145 it should not be a championship fight imo. The welterweight limit is 147 and fighting at 145 limit compromises that. Ifa fighter want's to fight for the true title there should be no restrictions. Otherwise it should be a non title fight. True weltweights don't weigh 141 for fights.

the fight is at 145 lbs not 141 lbs. stop lying. that said, anything from 147-141 lbs is considered a WW fight.

a 145 lbs maximal limit is still a WW fight and the belts can still be on the line pending negotiations.

The Welterweight division is 141 to 147. Not 141 to 145.

but 145-141 is within the limits of 147-141, therefore fights at 145-141 lbs is a WW fight.

I mean what's next? The light heavyweight championship limit being set at 170?

hopkins/wright at 170 lbs was for hopkins' ring mag belt. you fail.

If it's for the championship it should be done correctly. If the limit is 145 it's not even technically correct.

145 lbs is within 147-141 lbs therefore it is correct. i dunno why you don't understand this. it's basic mathematics.

Which means 145 is not the limit.

147 is the limit, but 145 lbs falls within the 147-141 lbs limits of the division, therefore a fight at 145 lbs is a legit WW fight.

/thread.

[Pullcounter]

I didn't agree with those either and I've been outspoken about it. Ray Leonard won a lightheavyweight belt witha 168 pound catchweight and I think that was bull****. If it's for the championship there should be NO catchweights. Why should Pac or any other fighter get a chance to win the belt with an advantage the other challengers didn't get? Ray Robinson, Henry Armstrong and Roberto Duran didn't use any catchweights. It's bull**** and always will be IMO.

so why does everyone have to bow to your interpretation of the rules???

147-141 are the upper and lower limits of the WW division. therefore any fights that fall between those limits are considered WW fights and the titles are on the line.

give it up!!!!

[Vasyl’s dad]

I didn't agree with those either and I've been outspoken about it. Ray Leonard won a lightheavyweight belt witha 168 pound catchweight and I think that was bull****. If it's for the championship there should be NO catchweights. Why should Pac or any other fighter get a chance to win the belt with an advantage the other challengers didn't get? Ray Robinson, Henry Armstrong and Roberto Duran didn't use any catchweights. It's bull**** and always will be IMO.

We don't agree on much, but I'm with you on this all the way.

[OnePunch]

it doesn't matter, WW is anything from 147-141 lbs.

the fact that cotto can ACTUALLY put his belts on the line for a catchweight of 145 lbs should tell you that you are barking up the wrong tree.

if the rules were interpreted according to your interpretation, then cotto would not be able to put his belts on the line for a 145 lbs fight. nuff said.

So I'm guessing then that should Nate beat Bradley for the 140 lb title, and Bradley wants a rematch, then it would be perfectly ok for Nate to say "fine, you can get a rematch, but only at 137 lbs"

Or when we start negotiating the Lamont Peterson mandatory, if we said "unless you agree to 138 lbs, its going to purse bid"

You would have no problem with that?

Do you have any idea where this could lead??

(I agree with you on things more often than not, but you are wayyyy off base on this one......)

[Sin City]

if you ain't letting cotto come in at the weight he is most comfortable in at the limit though then it isn't a true welter bout. as you said before, 141 to 147 is welter.. how you gonna deny a welter that extra pound then? it really isnt a true welter fight then.

[joseph5620]

the fight is at 145 lbs not 141 lbs. stop lying. that said, anything from 147-141 lbs is considered a WW fight.

You're the one who keeps making these asinine statements about weltweights fighting from "141 to 147" as if weltweights really come in at 141 for major fights. I'm just repeating what you said. The fact that you say I'm "lying" shows how weak your argument is.



a 145 lbs maximal limit is still a WW fight and the belts can still be on the line pending negotiations.


The argument is that they shouldn't be. Not what they can be.





hopkins/wright at 170 lbs was for hopkins' ring mag belt. you fail.


The fact that you mention the "ring magazine" belt as if it's legitimate or used as a bargaining tool shows who really failed here.

[joseph5620]

so why does everyone have to bow to your interpretation of the rules???

The welterweight limit is 147 and has been for a long time. Those are not my rules or my interpretation of them. Those are facts. Fighting for the welterweight championship with a 145 limit is a different interpretation of the rules.





147-141 are the upper and lower limits of the WW division. therefore any fights that fall between those limits are considered WW fights and the titles are on the line.


give it up!!!!

Oh I see. As long as those limits are cut off by 2 pounds. lol I think you need to give it up.

[Nobius]

I agree that catchweight sucks but the people that try to say over and over again that Cottos title should not be on the line coz its not a 147 limit fight are plain ******s. Under 147 can be a welterweight fight even if you only make 120 pounds.

[BHONN]

So I'm guessing then that should Nate beat Bradley for the 140 lb title, and Bradley wants a rematch, then it would be perfectly ok for Nate to say "fine, you can get a rematch, but only at 137 lbs"

Or when we start negotiating the Lamont Peterson mandatory, if we said "unless you agree to 138 lbs, its going to purse bid"

You would have no problem with that?

Do you have any idea where this could lead??

(I agree with you on things more often than not, but you are wayyyy off base on this one......)

Is Nate a draw that Bradley need to budge in? can he gave Bradley 10m?

Cotto is willing to take the fight because he needs Pacman and that F**kn money and maybe his biggest money fight...
and not to mention betting the P4P 1 would boast up his ranks and his name..
anyway 145 thats Cotto negotiation weight so theres no problem in it because he knows he can do it without hurtin himself..
Cotto have all the edge in this fight he will outwieght Pac by 10-15 lbs fight night...