Welterweight - 141-147 pounds

[Pullcounter]

To the TS you do have a point but answer me this?
When has a fighter fighting at a certain weight ever entered a fight 5-6 pds under the limit?
it doesnt happen
quit trying to justify pacs stance
Cotto should be allowed to weigh a max of 147 period
no catch weight
if manny or freddy has a problem with it then they should fight JMM or Valero or someone at 140

if cotto has a problem w/ a catchweight he should throw team pac's contract in the garbage.

a fight at 141-147lbs is a welterweight fight

a fight at ≤145lbs is a catchweight fight

a fight at where both combatants have negotiated to fight at a maximal limit of 145 lbs is both a catchweight as well as a WW fight.

the WW division is anything between 147-142 lbes.

wrong, wrong, wrong. The welterweight limit is 147 pounds. Team Pacquiao is neither a commission or a sanctioning body, yet they are re-writing the rules to limit a welterweight title fight to 145 pounds.

lol... team pac ain't rewriting the rules. WW is anything between 147-141 lbs.

a fight at contracted at a limit of 145 lbs is still a WW fight.

If Klitschko fights Arreola and limits Arreola to 225 pounds, is that ok?

yes, it depends on negotiations.

If Bute fights Andrade and makes Andrade weigh 165 pounds, is that ok?

yes, it depends on negotiations.

You can spin it however you want, but its still bull****. The title should NOT be on the line.

it's not spinning, its facts. WW is anything from 147-141 lbs.

In the post u quoted I used Pea and Sugar ray as examples because they have both done something similar. And I like both fighters quite a bit. My point is this, let both come in at the weightclass maximum if they chose to and put the belt on the line. Or do it at a catch weight as an attraction fight without the belt.

it doesn't matter, WW is anything from 147-141 lbs.

the fact that cotto can ACTUALLY put his belts on the line for a catchweight of 145 lbs should tell you that you are barking up the wrong tree.

if the rules were interpreted according to your interpretation, then cotto would not be able to put his belts on the line for a 145 lbs fight. nuff said.

[Kenny Blankenship]

I find it funny that some here are belly aching about this fight being for a belt at 145.

First of all the sanctioning bodies lost all credibility years ago with their underhanded dealings, some of them bordering on criminal like selling rankings, charging fighters crazy sanctioning fees etc.

Lots of questionable things have occurred with the alphabet organizations so lets not pretend their "belts" mean anything other than a being just a cheap piece of metal on a strap of leather.

In an ideal world they would have to weigh the limit on fight night, but they don't, yet we never hear the outrage and outcry we're hearing right now with this fight.

Bottom line is this: Cotto and Pac have agreed to a limit of 145 which is within the welterweight class (141-147). If Cotto felt he wouldn't be able to make the weight or be effective on fight night he wouldn't agree to it...end of story.

As far as a belt being on the line, since when have these organizations ever cared when it came to this stuff? All they give a **** about is money, it'll make them money so they'll sanction it as it all falls within the welterweight weight class.

Face it, the belts mean nothing these days especially the WBO, WBA or whatever the **** they call themselves.

All I want to see is a good fight and if that means it being at 145 so be it.

I don't give a **** about any belt, give me the best fight that can be made and Cotto-Pac is right up there on the list.

Anyone who believes so strongly that this fight shouldn't be happening, just don't watch the fight, vote with your wallet.

But you won't, you'll all watch it because...it's a good ****in' fight.

[BALLISTIC]

the fights gonna be at 144 cotto can come in at 153 or so..pac will come in at 148 like always..

pac will still own..

[OnePunch]

Lots of questionable things have occurred with the alphabet organizations so lets not pretend their "belts" mean anything other than a being just a cheap piece of metal on a strap of leather.

Well it must mean SOMETHING, otherwise Pacquiao wouldnt be paying a 3% "crazy sanction fee" for a "cheap piece of metal on a strap".

[shabs]

the fights gonna be at 144 cotto can come in at 153 or so..pac will come in at 148 like always..

pac will still own..

yea well then y have a catchweight then if pac wins watch him demand a catchweight of 142 to defend the 147 pound belt lol.....thats greatness i guess hes been figtin c+ plus fighter hell have a wake up call against cotto.
then well see pbf vs cotto that'll be awsome!!!!!!111

[BHONN]

yea well then y have a catchweight then if pac wins watch him demand a catchweight of 142 to defend the 147 pound belt lol.....thats greatness i guess hes been figtin c+ plus fighter hell have a wake up call against cotto.
then well see pbf vs cotto that'll be awsome!!!!!!111

this guy is ******.

[No Ceiling]

the fans should email cotto's team and tell them to not put the belt on the line

[Vasyl’s dad]

you can disagree with the fight being at a catweight all you like, but I'm talking specifically to the people who think it's absurd that this fight is for Cotto's belt. Being that it's a welterweight fight and both parties agreed upon 145, there isn't any reason why the belt shouldn't be on the line.

The absurdity comes from one man being told there is no fight unless he agrees to come in below the actual limit of 147. If Cotto signs, thats on him and no excuses can be made.

But you're being a bit silly if you don't think people have a legitmate gripe about that.

I just have a question, should organizations now allow fighters to start demanding that their opponents agree to catchweights as long as they are below the limit?

If you answer yes, then why even have weight divisions?

[joseph5620]

147 is the maximum weight you can weigh in. Therefor, a catweight of 145 pounds IS a welterweight fight thus Cotto's belt on the line.

I think that needs to be clarified because clearly that isn't common knowledge on these boards.

Carry on.

It's a welterweight fight but if the limit is 145 it should not be a championship fight imo. The welterweight limit is 147 and fighting at 145 limit compromises that. Ifa fighter want's to fight for the true title there should be no restrictions. Otherwise it should be a non title fight. True weltweights don't weigh 141 for fights.

[joseph5620]

[QUOTE=Pullcounter;5605379]if cotto has a problem w/ a catchweight he should throw team pac's contract in the garbage.



a fight at where both combatants have negotiated to fight at a maximal limit of 145 lbs is both a catchweight as well as a WW fight.

the WW division is anything between 147-142 lbes.


lol... team pac ain't rewriting the rules. WW is anything between 147-141 lbs.

a fight at contracted at a limit of 145 lbs is still a WW fight.



The Welterweight division is 141 to 147. Not 141 to 145. I mean what's next? The light heavyweight championship limit being set at 170? If it's for the championship it should be done correctly. If the limit is 145 it's not even technically correct.





it's not spinning, its facts. WW is anything from 147-141 lbs.



Which means 145 is not the limit.