Black America Sorely Needs Real Icon Like Pacquiao

[sandyvahra]

Wow I missed this thread. Firstly horrible title to an article, and written poorly as well. I can agree that right now there isn't a black fighter that's embraced nearly as much as fighters past like Ali, SRR, Hearns, etc. That's got a lot to do with the popularity of boxing in the US being quite a bit lower now than it was before. The Phillipines with Pacquiao is just now going down a road that America has been down in the past. The culture in the phillipines allows them to embrace an athlete as their hero such as pac just due to the fact that the phillipines is a third world country with extreme poverty. At the end of the day America has produced the biggest fighters and has been the biggest platform for the sport so that's all it comes down to.

As far as a lot of posters talking about Barack, this is probably for another thread but do some reading on the Bilderburg group. Helluva read.

[Nuurzhaelan]

Excellent point. For a black man, the roads to riches is quicker in basketball and football than the boxing

Whereas for latinos its quicker to become richer in boxing and baseball.

Peoples also tend to produce greats if their cultures are passionate about something and that applies to individuals too, obviously. Physical strength fascinates me. I am not a 'great' by any stretch, but I am a powerlifter. I graduated HS at 132 pounds...and now I am 220 pounds of muscle (and the requisite fat that adds to limit strength). I doubt anyone at that time would have considered me benching anything over 200...and now I can do 225 for reps of 20. Max is a different stroy. If my youth had been spent around boxing, perhaps I could have been (haha, I know, but it's possible) great at boxing if I were passionate about it then as I am now. I kinda wish it had, because there is no greater glory than can be found in boxing, imo.

[cortdawg25]

I don't think it was too terrible.

What I think the author was trying to convey was that what boxing and black fans 'need' is a true boxing superstar with an exciting personality, who is engaging and is black. It's been silent since Tyson left for Black America and it's no coincidence that the sport has suffered since then, for America. Its booming elsewhere because latinos and euros dominate the scene. With Oscar gone, it'll only get worse. He was the rare fighter that all races cheered for. (despite NBS naysayers).

In regards to Floyd, I also think the writer poorly gave his view on Floyd. I think he was trying to say that Floyd disappointed him with his inability to capture the American audiences. And the people that are paying for his fights are paying for the wrong reasons.

Floyd had it all, tutored by Oscar on how to become a star. Pearly white smiles, key wins, abilities that far exceed anyone in boxing (save for maybe Calderon) and good career progression. His attitude, arrogance (far from Ali's type of arrogance) and overall persona just rubbed the majority the wrong way. Too bad the author couldn't manage to express this the way I thought he was trying. Not bashing, just disappointment that he couldn't capture the spotlight

IT was terrible. You don't tell black america what it needs from boxing. It is ok to ask, but not to tell. Black people still watch boxing but we favor other sports as a whole even when Tyson was fighting. People only casually like Tyson because he had devastating KOs, but they were not diehard boxing fans.


In regards to Floyd, when he was being the good guy with the smile, it wasn't as profitable. He realized his bank account and appeal rose when he is being hated. and that is all that matters is that people show up or buy the fight. I think he likes to be hated, his best performances have come in the most anti crowds.

Overall, the article was bad and not phrased properly. If you have problems conveying your message, then it is probably poorly written.

[Eric Holder]

Steve Kim wrote a very similar article to this one a while back, here's the link for anyone intrested

m.a.xboxing.com/Kim/Kim060309.asp pt. 1

m.a.xboxing.com/Kim/Kim060409.asp pt. 2

[JmH Reborn]

IT was terrible. You don't tell black america what it needs from boxing. It is ok to ask, but not to tell. Black people still watch boxing but we favor other sports as a whole even when Tyson was fighting. People only casually like Tyson because he had devastating KOs, but they were not diehard boxing fans.


In regards to Floyd, when he was being the good guy with the smile, it wasn't as profitable. He realized his bank account and appeal rose when he is being hated. and that is all that matters is that people show up or buy the fight. I think he likes to be hated, his best performances have come in the most anti crowds.

Overall, the article was bad and not phrased properly. If you have problems conveying your message, then it is probably poorly written.

And it's a shame really. He had all the tangibles to be able to pull his own weight and truly be a mega star, but he doesn't have the intangibles to embrace it and sold himself out for a buck. I guess its better to be hated than loved as long as your pockets remain fat.

This isn't a Floyd thread so we'll keep it on topic. It just disappoints me, because Floyd is like one of my favorite boxers and I thought he would have been able to carry on the mantle after dethroning Oscar. He only alienated himself from the crowd.

[Deja_Vous]

Maybe because throughout history white america was never held to the same standard of boxing greatness as black america. So it raises the question as to when the next true black boxing superstar will emerge and capture the eyes of America like SRL, Ali and Tyson did.

Bull..........and you know it is.

White America has mofos all over boxing's HOF

WHERE ARE THEY NOW???????????????????????

That would have made a better article and started some to think.

[JmH Reborn]

Bull..........and you know it is.

White America has mofos all over boxing's HOF

WHERE ARE THEY NOW???????????????????????

That would have made a better argument and started some to think.

I'm sorry Deja, just cause some white men are in the HoF doesn't mean that they are held in the same standard as some of the ATG that are littered at the top with blacks and hispanics.

To make a comparison, just cause Steve Largent is in the NFL Hall of Fame, doesn't mean he's held to the same standard as Jerry Rice.

Overall, I just think that the names of Ali, SRR, SRL, Joe Louis, Frazier, Tyson, Holyfield, Holmes, Liston carry more weight than their white counterparts.

[Kevin Jesus]

List of African American fighters with some Star Power

Bradley(Going well so far)

Campbell(legal troubles had him out of the ring for a while)

Holt(lost against Bradley when he was finally rising in the JWW div)

D. Hopkins(lost to Holt when finally given the chance to come out of Uncle Bernard's shadow)

Mayweather(Retired for nearly 2 years and comes back to take on a former Lightweight who fans don't give much of a chance to although I think it's an interesting fight style-wise)

Mosley(Claims he's half Mexican/can't get a fight with either Pacquiao or Mayweather....or Cotto)

Zab Judah(30 years old, hopefully he revives his career soon because he has the star power just needs to try harder in his big fights)

Kirkland(playing with guns/Career in doubt for now)

Williams(Can't get a big fight from 147-160)

Spinks(Some what revived his career with his performance against Latimore, but that won't get him any big fights)

Forrest(I honestly don't know what's up with this guy right now)

Latimore(Lost to a past prime Spinks, enough said)

Phillips(Beaten badly by Williams/should retire already)

Wright(Beaten by Williams but still has something left in the tank)

Taylor(Fought well for 12 rounds against Froch, then got TKO'ed in the last seconds)

Ward(Bright future, could be good for the SMW and LHW divisions)

Dirrell(Hasn't impressed me yet)

Lacy(Ruined by Calzaghe a while ago, a fight vs Jones in August should put his name out there for bigger things...like retirement)

Green(He's alright, I would like to see more of him)

Hopkins(Top 3 most popular Black boxer right now, but close to retirement)

Jones(All time fave, very popular but also very close to retirement)

Dawson(Rising young fighter, real good/can beat anyone at LHW, but needs that mainstream fight to get his name out there a little more)

Tarver(Still good for entertainment, but not for fights)

Now here's the problem, there are no Arfican-American Heavyweight prospects/stars. Unless you want to add a 46 year old Evander Holyfield?

[JACK D. RIPPER]

This is just lame collectivist thought shrouded in cult of personality. If a black fighter comes along that has the tools to capture the publics imagination it will happen.

Its not happening because there really isn't any right now.

[JmH Reborn]

List of African American fighters with some Star Power

Bradley(Going well so far)

Campbell(legal troubles had him out of the ring for a while)

Holt(lost against Bradley when he was finally rising in the JWW div)

D. Hopkins(lost to Holt when finally given the chance to come out of Uncle Bernard's shadow)

Mayweather(Retired for nearly 2 years and comes back to take on a former Lightweight who fans don't give much of a chance to although I think it's an interesting fight style-wise)

Mosley(Claims he's half Mexican/can't get a fight with either Pacquiao or Mayweather....or Cotto)

Zab Judah(30 years old, hopefully he revives his career soon because he has the star power just needs to try harder in his big fights)

Kirkland(playing with guns/Career in doubt for now)

Williams(Can't get a big fight from 147-160)

Spinks(Some what revived his career with his performance against Latimore, but that won't get him any big fights)

Forrest(I honestly don't know what's up with this guy right now)

Latimore(Lost to a past prime Spinks, enough said)

Phillips(Beaten badly by Williams/should retire already)

Wright(Beaten by Williams but still has something left in the tank)

Taylor(Fought well for 12 rounds against Froch, then got TKO'ed in the last seconds)

Ward(Bright future, could be good for the SMW and LHW divisions)

Dirrell(Hasn't impressed me yet)

Lacy(Ruined by Calzaghe a while ago, a fight vs Jones in August should put his name out there for bigger things...like retirement)

Green(He's alright, I would like to see more of him)

Hopkins(Top 3 most popular Black boxer right now, but close to retirement)

Jones(All time fave, very popular but also very close to retirement)

Dawson(Rising young fighter, real good.can beat anyone at LHW, but needs that mainstream fight to get his name out there a little more)

Tarver(Still good for entertainment, but not for fights)

Now here's the problem, there are no Arfican-American Heavyweight prospects/stars. Unless you want to add a 46 year old Evander Holyfield?

Mostly none of those guys are stars man

RJJ Jr had his time

SSM...his lack of mainstream appeal honestly mystifies me

PBF still has time to repair his image before his body betrays him

Those others don't get nobody mainstream talking. Nobody gives a damn about 80% of those dudes.

I do agree about one guy...Andre Ward, he has potential to really do something