2 Reasons why Mosley is DEAD WRONG

[F-22 Raptor]

Shane is a nice guy, but he's totally off base in his remarks about Cotto-Pac, and here's two major reasons why.......

1. He's complaining about Cotto-Pac being an "in-house" fight by Top Rank. That's pretty hypocritical coming from a GBP partner, considering GBP does more "in-house" fights than anyone in the sport today. Examples....

Diaz vs. Katsidis, and JMM
Casamayor vs. Santa Cruz, Katsidis, and JMM
JMM vs. Diaz, Casamayor, Barerra, and Juarez
And thats just at lightweight!!

Besides, 4 of Pac's last 5 opponents have been GBP fighters. Shane's "in-house" complaint is ridiculous.

2. Shane is calling for Top Rank to make Shane vs. Pac. Now if he was calling for Top Rank to make Shane vs. Cotto, his argument would have more teeth. But he's not. Instead of trying to make the fight against the guy who beat him, he is just mad that Cotto is getting the payday that he so desperately wants.

This is an amazing thread, good job, i gave you green karma.

[!! Shawn]

You are not being objective. Shane can beat Marg, Clottey, Paul Williams, Pavlik, both Klitschko's, godzilla and king kong, and it doesnt change the fact that he LOST to Cotto.

Shouldnt Shane be trying to straighten that loss to Cotto rather than trying to thief Cotto's opponent?

Besides, isn't Cotto-Mosley 2 more credible than Pac against either guy? (it is to me)

Seriously, as someone involved with a fighter who has ended up on the wrong end of some close decisions, you should be ashamed of yourself.

You should know as well as anyone else that the judges don't make the fighter. Mosley and Cotto for all intents and purposes fought to a draw. The judges gave it to Cotto because thats where the money was, that doesn't mean he WON the fight, that means the judges decided in his favor.

Thats like saying Nate ONLY won a split decision over Juan Diaz.

Nobody actually thinks the fight was remotely Close, but one of the judges had Diaz winning the fight. So does that make Diaz better than Nate? A judge decided that he beat Nate, same as one decided Cotto beat Mosley.

[street bully]

I respect your opinion, but you are wrong and here is why.

Bob Arum is not matching in house in the interest of creating the best possible fight, nor is he matching in house to keep his fighter busy, he is matching in house because Miguel Cotto is vulnerable, and he is not willing to risk having Cotto lose in a fight where he has to split the promotional revenue.

This simple truth of the matter is this.

Shane deserves a Manny fight more than Miguel does, but neither deserves it as much as Juan Manuel Marquez does.

That was one of the best posts I have seen on this subject in a long time. GreenK .

[OnePunch]

Seriously, as someone involved with a fighter who has ended up on the wrong end of some close decisions, you should be ashamed of yourself.

You should know as well as anyone else that the judges don't make the fighter. Mosley and Cotto for all intents and purposes fought to a draw. The judges gave it to Cotto because thats where the money was, that doesn't mean he WON the fight, that means the judges decided in his favor.

Thats like saying Nate ONLY won a split decision over Juan Diaz.

Nobody actually thinks the fight was remotely Close, but one of the judges had Diaz winning the fight. So does that make Diaz better than Nate? A judge decided that he beat Nate, same as one decided Cotto beat Mosley.

Whoa. Tone it down a notch.

As the guy who represents Nate, and has seen Nate lose 2 questionable decisions to Casamayor and Hlatshwayo, what you learn is this.

YOU HAVE TO LIVE WITH THE RESULT.

You can stand there and shake your fist all you want, you can try and discredit the decision, or whatever else you can think of, but NONE of that will do one ****ing thing to advance the career of your fighter. What you do is to try and get the rematch. (we couldnt get a rematch in either case).

What you DONT do is to somehow try and claim superiority over the guy who beat you and not challenge him to fight again, but to instead try to fight his proposed opponent, claiming you are more worthy. It's pathetic.

[F-22 Raptor]

I usually agree with everything you say shawn, but I just dont see how you could say that they fought to a draw, Miguel clearly won that fight, and even shane admited it after, only until recently saying it was a hometown decistion. The clottey fight was a hometown decition, not the Shane one, he outboxed and won the rounds clearly.

[NakiFan]

Want to know the FACTS do you?

Ring Ratings:

Number ONE Mosley

Number TWO Cotto

Nimber of times KTFO, Mosley ZERO, Cotto ONE

[OnePunch]

Mosley and Cotto for all intents and purposes fought to a draw. The judges gave it to Cotto because thats where the money was, that doesn't mean he WON the fight, that means the judges decided in his favor.

Also you are being extremely arrogant with what you posted here. What you are saying is that THAT is the way YOU saw it, and anyone who disgrees with you is wrong. Well here's a newsflash for you. People disagree on fight results all the time!! Just because YOU thought it was a draw, doesnt mean that EVERYONE ELSE thinks that. And saying they "gave it" to Cotto is just ******. You say the fight was a draw, correct?? Well 2 judges had it 115-113 cotto. That means they disagreed with you about ONE ROUND. So because they disagreed with you about ONE ROUND, then there must be a big conspiracy because Cotto is "where the money is"? Here's a more likely scenario. Perhaps YOU were one round off on YOUR scorecard. But no, I'm sure that is not possible. lolol

[!! Shawn]

I usually agree with everything you say shawn, but I just dont see how you could say that they fought to a draw, Miguel clearly won that fight, and even shane admited it after, only until recently saying it was a hometown decistion. The clottey fight was a hometown decition, not the Shane one, he outboxed and won the rounds clearly.

Go rewatch the fight. Shane said he though he did enough in the post fight interview. I scored the fight 1 point for Mosley, I don't argue with the decision, but claiming Cotto deserves a fight with Pacman because he was the benefactor of a decision that could have gone to either man is absurd, especially when there is a much better marker to measure by. Antonio Margarito.

[JAB5239]

Whoa. Tone it down a notch.

As the guy who represents Nate, and has seen Nate lose 2 questionable decisions to Casamayor and Hlatshwayo, what you learn is this.

YOU HAVE TO LIVE WITH THE RESULT.

You can stand there and shake your fist all you want, you can try and discredit the decision, or whatever else you can think of, but NONE of that will do one ****ing thing to advance the career of your fighter. What you do is to try and get the rematch. (we couldnt get a rematch in either case).

What you DONT do is to somehow try and claim superiority over the guy who beat you and not challenge him to fight again, but to instead try to fight his proposed opponent, claiming you are more worthy. It's pathetic.

Very nice.

[OnePunch]

Want to know the FACTS do you?

Ring Ratings:

Number ONE Mosley

Number TWO Cotto

Nimber of times KTFO, Mosley ZERO, Cotto ONE

Heres some more facts, since we are in a fact sharing mood here......

Losses: Shane: FIVE
Cotto: ONE

Next Opponent: Cotto: Pac
Shane: None

I'm too lazy to google ticket sales figures for both guys, but I'd bet there are some pretty interesting facts there too.....lol