No Offense to PAC Fans, but...

[THE REED]

I agree with that

Cool. This isn't an anti-pac thread... not at all.

[bbos]

Cool. This isn't an anti-pac thread... not at all.

kwel homie, lets trade reps

[NoFear24]

I kind of feel he is disrupting the welterweight and JR. WW division...

For starters... Mosley-Cotto SHOULD be the very next fight...

You have the two biggest guys, the two champions of the division, and neither are looking at any other welterweights right now..

Then you have PAC who has the Lineal title at 140... and he isn't looking at any other 140lbers right now, either..

Mosley Cotto are the two guys are at the very top of their division, their last fight was very close... and I think Mosley-Cotto should be happening next, but neither of them can take their eyes off Pacman. I understand why, I do... but I feel like they should be focused on becoming the undisputed champion. How good can you feel as champion... when there are two other champions in your own weightclass... I feel like that is unfinished business.

I also feel like, if Pac feels he can beat welters, then he should fight them at welter... If they are too big, then stay at JR WW... until you feel you can handle another move up in weight.

Catchweights may make for interesting fights, but they do not help us sort out either division. In a time of boxing when every weight class has 3-4 different champions, these catch weight fights aren't helping matters.

Also, neither fighter will get full credit for a win... If you beat Mosley or Cotto under 147lbs, how much credit do you expect to get?

Just to end all that, it's not that I wouldn't enjoy a catchweight between Pac-Mosley or Pac-Cotto... I definitely would, I would buy both fights, and I would enjoy both fights, and I know they would BOTH be exciting... I just think as far as boxing purists, there are more important things.

Like a unified champion in the division.

P.s. I am assuming about a 50% agree/disagree here... because I know a lot of people prefer these catchweights... and it's understandable.

Extra Side Note: Full blame is not just on Pac, but Cotto and Mosley as well..

Pac if you want to fight Cotto/Mosley beat them at their best... if you can't, then stay in your division or wait until you can move up to do so...

Cotto/Mosley: You have unfinished business

I really don't feel Pac is messing up the Welterweight division or junior Welterweight division. It all comes down to the fighters in each of their own respected division themselves if they truly want to be great or not. Pac has proven to be great already and is on his way out with 1 or 2 more huge fights before he tries his hand at politics again.

I am assuming Pac vs Cotto is up next, and I would love this fight to be at 147. A catch weight is fine, but as long as both parties agree to it, doesn't really matter to me as long as the fight gets made. A fight with Floyd is out of the question now since hes suppose to be injured. As for Mosley, he wanted Miguel Cotto, but Cotto didn't want that fight again. I understand Mosley's situation and the fact that he only wants big fights because if his age. Mosley has to fight one of the top welterweights now if Cotto and Pac do fight. A Berto fight is the only fight that would make him close to the amount of money he would want with Pac. Or Mosley can just wait for Margarito again and destroy him the same way, but its really up to Mosley to decide.

Again, its not Pac messing up the divisions, its the fighters themselves in the division who chose not to be great by not wanting to fight the best in their division. Money will always be a huge factor in making a decision and it wasn't always like that for Pac. He earned his right to make big money and has fought Wars to get to where hes at. Like I say all the time, its all up to the fighters and their mentality to truly want to be great that brings the best out of a division.

[Pullcounter]

If he wants to fight for a lineal welterweight title, against a lineal welterweight champion, and he in turn wants to be the lineal welterweight champion... then he should fight at welterweight. That's how I feel.

yeah, but technically WW is anything between 147-141 lbs.

[sandyvahra]

yeah, but technically WW is anything between 147-141 lbs.

Bingo my man.

[kadyo's]

No offense reed but if pac beat mosley, people would say he's a cotto leftover, and if he beats cotto, people would say he's a margo leftover. Either way pac won't get any credit in beating this great WWs even if they fight at 147. Besides, manny is doing this fighting now for the sole purpose of financing his congressional bid on may, 2010 and has no concern about legacy because he feels he already has that. It is for these reasons that pac must demand for a catchweight.

[Pullcounter]

No offense reed but if pac beat mosley, people would say he's a cotto leftover, and if he beats cotto, people would say he's a margo leftover. Either way pac won't get any credit in beating this great WWs even if they fight at 147. Besides, manny is doing this fighting now for the sole purpose of financing his congressional bid on may, 2010 and has no concern about legacy because he feels he already has that. It is for these reasons that pac must demand for a catchweight.

yeah, cotto, mosley, pbf, jmm... there all just paydays for pac now. pac's paid his dues. unfortunately for pac, these paydays are the badest meanest "paydays" you could find.

that's why you gotta love pac.

[TyroneSpong]

Even So... there would STILL be a recognized champ at the weight. There isn't right now. And we are a fight away from having it.

WHAT GOOD DOES THAT DO!?!? HUH?!? In a few months there will be 3 or 4 champs again.

This argument is about Cotto fighting Mosley for the sake of boxing as in sacrifice an exciting fight like Pac vs either Cotto or Mosley for the sake of having a unified champ for a very short time? Who gives a *** about having a unified champ for a few months.

[miron_lang]

I agree.

But.....


Manny Pacquiao already has 54 fights. yes thats 54 professional fights. There were no running in all those fights. Manny fought like a rabid animal without a decent meal in yrs in all those fights.

He's looking for the money. Its that simple. Retirement plans doesnt help either.

[K-Nan]

I wonder how many times "WWs should fight WWs" has been said in this thread.