Pacquiao’s Choice Should Be a Real "Welterweight" Fight

[Hotbox2]

Nice one! I guess people here just based their assumptions on Pacquiao's performance, forgetting that Pacquiao fought in different weight classes for the past 14 mos. The catchweight he had with Oscar was the only fight he had agreed to have a catchweight...and that was at Welterweight and therefore legitimate not only because Oscar agreed with it, but it was a new fighting weight for Pacquiao...considering that he jumped two weight classes

And now, if Pacquiao asks for a catchweight, he will be considered somewhat a "*****"?

He is a "*****" we are not forgetting that he fought in different divisions. He fought David Diaz who was not the best lightweight, does that make him great when Kendall Holt had knocked out Diaz? Manny didn't ask to fight Juan Diaz or Nate Campbell at that weight! Why? Could it be that they wouldn't be weak! He fought Oscar and made him come down to not 147 but 145! Why do you think Oscar weighed so low. Get real he's a fraud Bob Arum and Team Manny has fooled all of you guys. Get real!

[nnamme]

It was Pac who asked Arum to make this fight, not Cotto. If Pac doesn't think he can beat Welterweights unless they come in weight drained, he should clear out his own division and forget about fighting Welterweights. He has just won a lineal and Ring title in the Jnr Welterweight division, and a true champion would defend his title against the best fighters in his division.

Well, as I said, Cotto can always reject the offer if he wants to. As Arum said, there is still Mosley who is very much willing to go down in weight, who very much believes in himself, that he can defeat Pacquiao at his own terms.

Man, it's Cotto's financial loss if this offer goes to Mosley. Pacquiao does not have anything more to prove to himself at this point in his career. It's obvious he is after the financial gains to prepare for his retirement. Haven't you realize that?

In fact, Pacquiao hinted that he has only one or two fights left in him as he is now bent on retiring to become a politician in his country...He knows very well the limitations of a boxer.. It's really Cotto's loss if he doesn't take this biggest fight of his career. He may not be able to have again this once-in-a-lifetime opportunity presented to him.

[nnamme]

Has boxing come down to this where Manny has to rob ppl of there weight in order to win a fight. If Cotto or Mosley are the Welterweight champions and Manny wants to fight them for the Welterweight title then Manny should be required to fight at a limit of 147. I'm so tired of Top Rank doing this marketing ploy like Manny is something special and he clearly is not. You idiots have forgotten that Top Rank is the creator of Butterbean. So called King of the 4 rounders! That's what they do market to fools who will buy that junk. I'm sorry but Manny is the same product of that marketing tool. Stop with all of that cash cow and Manny decides what weight a fighter should come in. Is this truly boxing. I'm so sick and tired of all of this bull****. Manny is a phoney and when he fights Floyd or Mosley it will be proven.

Man, if you're thinking already of retiring, wouldn't you make the most money you can get? Especially if you can command the terms of it? So if Cotto won't accept this Team Pacquiao's offer, well there is alway Mosley who must be hoping and praying now for Cotto to reject Arum's offer.

[Pullcounter]

You've got it the wrong way round. It's the Pac fanboys who don't seem to think Pac can beat Cotto unless Cotto comes in weight drained. Otherwise they would want Pac to fight a 100% version of Cotto, and not a weight drained Cotto. It's obviously in Pac's interests to do so, from a legacy point of view. The only possible reason for asking Cotto to come in lighter than 147 is in the hope that he'll come in weight drained. There is no other possible reason.

The real Pac fans want Pac to fight Cotto at 147, or to fight a Jnr Welterweight, because they realise that is what will benefit his legacy and gain everyone's respect.

pac don't have a chance against cotto if cotto is pratically a middleweight on fight night while pac is a welterweight on fight night.

don't forget, pac only weighed 138 lbs against hatton.

It was Pac who asked Arum to make this fight, not Cotto.

cotto was begging for this fight before the clottey fight though.

If Pac doesn't think he can beat Welterweights unless they come in weight drained, he should clear out his own division and forget about fighting Welterweights.

yeah, i just wish these WWs would stop begging pac for a fight.

He has just won a lineal and Ring title in the Jnr Welterweight division, and a true champion would defend his title against the best fighters in his division.

I definitely wouldn't mind seeing pac/bradley.

Has boxing come down to this where Manny has to rob ppl of there weight in order to win a fight.

um... these WWs are begging pac for a fight.

If Cotto or Mosley are the Welterweight champions and Manny wants to fight them for the Welterweight title then Manny should be required to fight at a limit of 147.

cotto and mosley don't have to fight at a catchweight if they don't want to. they both can walk away from the negotiations you know.

I'm so tired of Top Rank doing this marketing ploy like Manny is something special and he clearly is not.

lol... that's random

You idiots have forgotten that Top Rank is the creator of Butterbean. So called King of the 4 rounders! That's what they do market to fools who will buy that junk. I'm sorry but Manny is the same product of that marketing tool.

um... he also created dlh, pbf, and cotto. he also promoted ali and SRL.

Stop with all of that cash cow and Manny decides what weight a fighter should come in.

lol... pac doesn't decide anything. pac offers a fight. other boxer can either accept the offer, produce a counter-offer, or walk away.

Is this truly boxing.

yes

I'm so sick and tired of all of this bull****.

this is how boxing has been done for a long time now. even floyd and mosley does it this way.

Manny is a phoney and when he fights Floyd or Mosley it will be proven.

how does losing to floyd and mosley prove pac is a phoney? there's no shame in losing to floyd or mosley. if they were bums, maybe, but both are bonafide HOFers and potential if not already ATGs.

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Stop bull****ting, ur a non sense...

disagree because pac is the draw? wasnt it pac that called out cotto and asked arum TO make the cotto fight? so because pac is the draw everyone has to handicap themselves to the benefit of pac ? thats just ****** and i gaurantee you if pac beats a weightdrained welterweight, youll be parading on and on as if he earned it the HONEST AND STRAIGHT UP WAY.chicken**** tactics straight up ***** moves, and pac doesnt have the BALLS TO FACE MOSLEY, THAT MUCH IS CLEAR COTTO ISNT BETTER THAN MOSLEY, HOW ABOUT FIGHTING A LEGIT THREAT PAC HUH? CHICKEN**** PAC.

U need more time to study English for u to understand what i wrote...Try looking somebody else of ur own level of understanding, ur none sense...have no time to discuss things w/ u...

[nnamme]

He is a "*****" we are not forgetting that he fought in different divisions. He fought David Diaz who was not the best lightweight, does that make him great when Kendall Holt had knocked out Diaz? Manny didn't ask to fight Juan Diaz or Nate Campbell at that weight! Why? Could it be that they wouldn't be weak! He fought Oscar and made him come down to not 147 but 145! Why do you think Oscar weighed so low. Get real he's a fraud Bob Arum and Team Manny has fooled all of you guys. Get real!

You should be the one to get real! Before he fought Diaz, Dela Hoya and Hatton, there were already so many doubters regarding Pacquiao's moving up in weight. Secondly, the catchweight with Dela Hoya was at 147 not 145. It was dela Hoya's fault if he drained himself. He agreed to the terms and in all his interviews he believed he could knockout Pacquiao. Maybe you should get real, because what you are saying now is just a reaction of what happened after Pacquiao has beaten them. Before he fought this guys, there were doubts about his capacity to adjust to a higher weight.

[Pullcounter]

He is a "*****" we are not forgetting that he fought in different divisions.

I thought that was a good thing

He fought David Diaz who was not the best lightweight, does that make him great when Kendall Holt had knocked out Diaz?

diaz was just to test the waters and to get into position to fight oscar.

floyd tested the waters at 140 and 147 lbs too you know.

Manny didn't ask to fight Juan Diaz or Nate Campbell at that weight! Why? Could it be that they wouldn't be weak!

even floyd didn't jump into the deep end of the pool at 140 and 147 lbs on the first try. you can't excuse floyd but condemn pac. that's hypocritical.

He fought Oscar and made him come down to not 147 but 145!

um... you've been terribly misinformed. the catchweight was at 147 lbs. pac didn't make dlh do anything. dlh made all the rules for the fight. dlh dictated everything. pac didn't force dlh to eat deer meat. pac didn't force dlh to come to the weigh in 145 lbs. pac didn't force dlh to weigh 147 lbs on fight night. that was all oscar.

again, I don't wanna insult your intelligence, so you must have been woefully misinformed.

Why do you think Oscar weighed so low.

um... because oscar wanted credit for beating on a lightweight.

Get real he's a fraud Bob Arum and Team Manny has fooled all of you guys.

um... arum must have been fooling everyone when he was promoting dlh and pbf too or was that when arum used to be real?

Get real!

get informed.

You are right, Arum or Roach never wanted Manny to fight Soto because he knew that Soto would beat the **** out of Manny!

um... arum and roach had no problem fighting soto. in fact, when hatton/pac negotiations were getting rough, pac even told arum to start negotiations w/ soto.

See Manny couldn't drain him from his weight. It would be a fair fight.

lol, now you're just being lame

Believe me Manny is a fraud and he will be exposed and everyone will see it.

wow... just wow.

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yeah, i just wish these WWs would stop begging pac for a fight.

um... these WWs are begging pac for a fight.

Seems more like a two way street to me. I haven't heard Team Pac mention the name of any JWW's for his next fight, have you? Both sides, Pac and the WWs, got $$ signs in their eyes.

That's cool, but as a Pacfan, I hope he doesn't diminish his legacy for it.

If Cotto wants to beat Pac at 147 and get no credit for beating up a smaller man, I don't care. Let Cotto fans worry about that.

[nikeboix69]

Pullcounter gots it right

Yeah man, I wanted to respond on issues that PAC avoided fighters and that he forced DLH to be weight drained, but Pullcounter already corrected those misinformed comments with actual facts. I'm sorry but everything anyone wrote to put down PAC, Pullcounter just threw it back in y'alls face. And sorry to disappoint y'all but Pac can only fight one fighter at a time and to further disappoint y'all he's been making it known that he wants to retire soon from boxing, even before the DLH fight, to pursue a political career in the Philippines. I would want him to fight 5 to 7 more fights and not even enter politics but its prolly looking about 2 may be 3 at most then he hangs them up.

[Pullcounter]

Seems more like a two way street to me. I haven't heard Team Pac mention the name of any JWW's for his next fight, have you? Both sides, Pac and the WWs, got $$ signs in their eyes.

pac has said straight up that he's open for anyone, but roach has specifically picked out floyd then jmm, then retire.

neither has ever asked cotto or mosley for a fight prior to last weekend and even then, we only know what arum told us. we haven't even heard anything from roach or pac.

it is a two way street. whatever catchweight they sign for, no excuses or complaints.

That's cool, but as a Pacfan, I hope he doesn't diminish his legacy for it.

pac's legacy is already set in stone. for pac to lose to guys that outweigh him 8-10+ lbs on fight night would not diminish his legacy.

If Cotto wants to beat Pac at 147 and get no credit for beating up a smaller man, I don't care. Let Cotto fans worry about that.

true, but you gotta remind them what's at stake.