Armstrong vs. Pacquiao: Catchweights Make Alltime P4P Comparisons a Moot Point

[horge]

His fights the past 2 years have been with Marquez, Diaz, Delahoya, and Hatton.

He didnt make anything from the Diaz fight. Did you really think the delahoya and hatton fights were unworthy fights and solely about cashing out before you saw the outcome?

I wasn't including Diaz, admittedly.
I felt Pac could have cleaned-out more at LW.

The reason Pac didn't stick around at LW was?
IMO, whether TeamPac felt they could win or not, taking on delaHoya
was dictated greatly by the revenue. Hatton was even more clearly
about money than taking on the toughest challenge.

h.

[Ishy Aytan]

So uh....would Pacquiao not have been a superfeatherweight, lighweight, and junior welterweight champ all at the same time had it not been for sanctioning body politics forcing him to vacate??

Of course not. He chose to vacate no one forced him. Plus he ent moving between 140-130 between different fights.


No way.

[ThunderWolf]

Armstrong vs. Pacquiao: Catchweights Make Alltime P4P Comparisons a Moot Point.

You can`t compare Armstrong vs. Pac P4P because during the time of Henry, they weigh fighters at fight night, not before. And fighters tend to blow-up nowadays, a day after weigh-in.

[shadeyfizzle]

Of course not. He chose to vacate no one forced him. Plus he ent moving between 140-130 between different fights.


No way.

His decision to vacate was dictated greatly by sanctioning body politics. A marquez rematch at 130 was optional. His mandatory defense at 130 would have been Francisco Lorenzo. His mandatory at lightweight would have been Anthony Pitalua. Hardly worthy contenders. Something that would not have happened in the days of Armstrong.

[Ishy Aytan]

His decision to vacate was dictated greatly by sanctioning body politics. A marquez rematch at 130 was optional. His mandatory defense at 130 would have been Francisco Lorenzo. His mandatory at lightweight would have been Anthony Pitalua. Hardly worthy contenders. Something that would not have happened in the days of Armstrong.

Its impossible for pac to stay champ from light Welter-Feather.


Impossible.

[shadeyfizzle]

Its impossible for pac to stay champ from light Welter-Feather.


Impossible.

Equally impossible as it was for Armstrong to stay champ from featherweight to welterweight. Only difference was the WBC was not trying to prevent Armstrong from challenging for a WBO welterweight belt at welterweight by ordering him to defend his featherweight belt against a mandatory that wasnt even ranked in the top 5 in the division.

[madsweeney]

but back then catchweights wasn't a luxury... its like saying back then we had cassette walkmans while now u have iPods.. if only such idea was suggested back then...hmmmm..

times are a changin'.. I'm sure Robinson and Armstrong would have LOVED catchweights..

This is a subject that always irritates me. ATG's are always seen in a glorified view and people forget how times and boxing has changed. Almost nobody fights 100+ pro fights in their career anymore, weigh ins are a joke now and there is no reliable way to tell how someone who boxed 60 years ago would do against a modern boxer who may have less natural talent but has the benefits of superior tech/medical and documented experiences from the history of boxing.

ATG's have earned their honor but I think its rediculous to say they wouldn't have practiced some of today's modern conveniences if they were presented.

[madsweeney]

You can`t compare Armstrong vs. Pac P4P because during the time of Henry, they weigh fighters at fight night, not before. And fighters tend to blow-up nowadays, a day after weigh-in.

[Ishy Aytan]

Equally impossible as it was for Armstrong to stay champ from featherweight to welterweight. Only difference was the WBC was not trying to prevent Armstrong from challenging for a WBO welterweight belt at welterweight by ordering him to defend his featherweight belt against a mandatory that wasnt even ranked in the top 5 in the division.

Yeh but armstrong DID! He held the titles at the same time and was moving up and down these respective weight classes.

Pac cant do it. Physically its impossible. This is why guys like Armstrong are on a different calibre and are seen as immortal fighters.

[Pullcounter]

armstrong and pac lived in different eras. first compare the eras then compare how each did in his era.