How the hell is Clottey "elite"

[Fox McCloud]

Nah I agree, I wasnt saying that. But we'll never really know how it wouldve gone. Although Margarito didnt exactly dominate the 2nd half the same way Cottey did the first. I still saw competitive rounds, Clottey just wasnt busy enough due to his injury

Clottey isn't overly busy healthy either. That's why I think Margarito would probably beat him every time they fought. The fact that Margarito has the will to throw 1,675 punches in a 12 round fight tells me that Clottey would probably get outworked.

[Pullcounter]

clottey isn't elite, but he's on the cusp. I don't ever think he will get over that cusp though. he's a tough opponent for anybody though even floyd (but not to say that floyd doesn't beat him).

[THE REED]

Tell that to Arturo Gatti who broke his right hand and continued to throw it hard in his third fight with Ward.

Boxing is a pretty tough sport...

Can we not compare Clottey to Gatti.


Thanks.

[THE REED]

If he is that elite he should have ****** it up and found a way to win a couple more rounds. Bone bruises are painful but boxers are suppose to be able to deal with such matters. I am sure it was painful though, but if he lacks the mental toughness to block out the pain to win a couple rounds, how can I expect him to dig deep in the future?

It's not like he STOPPED throwing the hand... he did suck it up... he kept throwing it.

Many boxers have injured their hands during a fight and it has limited their punch output... Clottey is simply another example.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Clottey isn't overly busy healthy either. That's why I think Margarito would probably beat him every time they fought. The fact that Margarito has the will to throw 1,675 punches in a 12 round fight tells me that Clottey would probably get outworked.

I think the fact that Marg threw that number of punches and it was still close shows how well Clottey did. Clottey isnt busy but hes accurate, his connect % was over 50 i believe

[Fox McCloud]

Can we not compare Clottey to Gatti.


Thanks.

Oh man, you won't meet a bigger Gatti hater than me... he's awful. The only thing he had going for him was his toughness.

But really, in this case, Gatti's heart proved to be bigger than Clottey's.

I think the fact that Marg threw that number of punches and it was still close shows how well Clottey did. Clottey isnt busy but hes accurate, his connect % was over 50 i believe

Anyone who doesn't land 50% against Margarito should think about a new career.

[THE REED]

I think the fact that Marg threw that number of punches and it was still close shows how well Clottey did. Clottey isnt busy but hes accurate, his connect % was over 50 i believe

Yeah, you see Marg throwing 50 punches... Clottey throws one and thats the punch the announcers talk about.

Not that what the announcers say is right, but its the point... you have 50 lazy jabs, glancing and blocked punches.. compared to 3-4 solid, clean, effective, and clearly visible punches.

[The Gambler1981]

It's not like he STOPPED throwing the hand... he did suck it up... he kept throwing it.

Many boxers have injured their hands during a fight and it has limited there punch output... Clottey is simply another example.

If he was truly elite he would have found a way to win a couple more rounds, messed up hands are a part of the sport if you can not deal with that situation (he basically completely folded in that fight, Margarito played a large role in that by putting him on the defensive) you are never going to be truly elite. Elite fighters deal with whatever hand they are dealt and find a way to come out on top, Clottey clearly did not find a way to win in the Margarito fight (and it really did not look like he was trying to find a way to win just survive).

I think Clottey is very good, he just lacks the stuff that takes fighters from very good to something special, maybe this fight will spur Clottey to something beyond what I think he is capable of, but I am not holding my breath on that.

[THE REED]

Oh man, you won't meet a bigger Gatti hater than me... he's awful. The only thing he had going for him was his toughness.

But really, in this case, Gatti's heart proved to be bigger than Clottey's.



Anyone who doesn't land 50% against Margarito should think about a new career.

Theres 10 boxers in the entire sports history with the heart of gatti.

He could have bruised lungs, a spinal cord contusion, and a shattered testicle, and still somehow throw back.

[THE REED]

If he was truly elite he would have found a way to win a couple more rounds, messed up hands are a part of the sport if you can not deal with that situation (he basically completely folded in that fight, Margarito played a large role in that by putting him on the defensive) you are never going to be truly elite. Elite fighters deal with whatever hand they are dealt and find a way to come out on top, Clottey clearly did not find a way to win in the Margarito fight (and it really did not look like he was trying to find a way to win just survive).

By that token... no elite fighter should ever lose a fight.

They should always find a way to win, even if its against another elite fighter, under any circumstances.