David Haye May Try For Vitali Klitschko For September

[Pretty Boy1]

I fear for Haye against Vitali as I can't see Vitali being KO'd and Haye isn't known for going the distance and out pointing people but you never know!

[Squirrel]

Vitali has definitely been hurt by more than just Lewis.

Sanders hurt him, and if I remebmer correctly Herbie Hide actually stunned him?

To be fair, punches have more impact with attributes such as timing, accuracy etc, which were factors Lewis was struggling with in his fight with Vit. He only really found his range and stuff after 3/4 rounds. When he got that sorted you could see his punches were giving Vit a LOT more trouble. Also, I recollect Lewis threw 2 punches: a right uppercut and later a right straight that both had Klitschko holding on for dear life.

My point is (stamina, reach, height, strength etc aside) with Vitalis leaky defense and Hayes speed/power, there is a very real possibility that Vitali could be stunned/buzzed. I think Haye has the power to at least get Klits respect.

I think I fancy Hayes chances against Vitali more than Wlad you know: Wlad has faster hands, is reportedly a harder puncher, larger arsenal, more technical, better defense etc.

Vitali is definitely physically stronger and has a fantastic chin, but he's slower, older, has worse stamina etc, and I think Haye could at least be competetive with him.

[The_Visitation]

how is Arreola ranked#1 but oleg maskaev is WBC mandatory? Who did Maskaev beat to become mandatory?

Nobody. It actually goes back to a dispute between Maskaev and the WBC when he held the belt, he was effectively forced into defending against Sam Peter when, ironically enough, he wanted to fight Vitali as a much bigger payday. Maskaev actually had a decent legal case, but the WBC deflected being sued for a substantial sum by making Maskaev the mandatory challenger.

The irony is that Maskaev was actually in pretty much the same situation Vitali is in now. It's going to th Court of Arbitration in Sport but IMHO while no way in hell is Maskaev 'worthy' of the fight purely boxing terms - he lost the belt to Peter, after all - he is owed it in moral and probably legal terms. I think the best solution would be letting Vitali go ahead and fight, presumably, Arreola, but ensuring Maskaev gets a suitable slice of the pie for bowing out gracefully.

[hookoutofhell]

Vitali has definitely been hurt by more than just Lewis.

Sanders hurt him, and if I remebmer correctly Herbie Hide actually stunned him?

To be fair, punches have more impact with attributes such as timing, accuracy etc, which were factors Lewis was struggling with in his fight with Vit. He only really found his range and stuff after 3/4 rounds. When he got that sorted you could see his punches were giving Vit a LOT more trouble. Also, I recollect Lewis threw 2 punches: a right uppercut and later a right straight that both had Klitschko holding on for dear life.

My point is (stamina, reach, height, strength etc aside) with Vitalis leaky defense and Hayes speed/power, there is a very real possibility that Vitali could be stunned/buzzed. I think Haye has the power to at least get Klits respect.

I think I fancy Hayes chances against Vitali more than Wlad you know: Wlad has faster hands, is reportedly a harder puncher, larger arsenal, more technical, better defense etc.

Vitali is definitely physically stronger and has a fantastic chin, but he's slower, older, has worse stamina etc, and I think Haye could at least be competetive with him.

agree with alot of what youve said squirrell, i also think vitali is an easier fight for haye, he can use his sped, mobility and agility to keep vitali guessing, keep him frustrated and then lay down the power punches.

imo when i watched vitali vs gomez i realized that vitali has a L coming his way, haye is just the guy to do it.

alot of hayes success will be dependant upon something which we've never seen him do before, execute a well though out gameplan. in his CW days hayes power meant that he had an ace up his sleeve that 90% of CW's couldn't deal with. at the HW level its a little bit different.

but im still gonna say haye by TKO in 9

[Squirrel]

agree with alot of what youve said squirrell, i also think vitali is an easier fight for haye, he can use his sped, mobility and agility to keep vitali guessing, keep him frustrated and then lay down the power punches.

imo when i watched vitali vs gomez i realized that vitali has a L coming his way, haye is just the guy to do it.

alot of hayes success will be dependant upon something which we've never seen him do before, execute a well though out gameplan. in his CW days hayes power meant that he had an ace up his sleeve that 90% of CW's couldn't deal with. at the HW level its a little bit different.

but im still gonna say haye by TKO in 9

"Vitali has an L coming his way" definitely rings true with me, and I believe a dedicated and strategic Haye could accomplish that. I think Haye has improved immeasurably over his career, his performance against Maccarinelli imo was absolutely fantastic.

I reckon the clash of Hayes speed, power and movement, against Vitalis size, (lack of) defense and poor stamina could actually lead to an upset. Also, i've noticed that Vitali seems to be cluelss when hurt or even pressured badly, so I think if Haye gets it right and tags him, he definitely has the possiblity to end it.

I reckon if they fought and Haye wre to win, it'd be about KO8 - with Vitali troubled a couple of times prior to that. Mebbe the bell saves him or he recuperates enough to get back in the round.


Edit: dont get me wrong, im not flat out saying Haye demolishes Vitali. In fact Haye would definitely be the under dog, i just think this is an easier fight than the Wlad fight and Haye can at least be competitive in it. I could see Wlad vs Haye being a complete shutout for Haye.

Imagine though, Haye with Vitalis name on his record as his second proper HW opponent! especially if it has a nice "KO8" next to it

Also id just like to say i do like Vitali and respect him, which probably doesnt come across in this post. But i do.

[Kris Silver]

He should face Valuev, get used to a bigger guy without quite as brutal power. Become more accomplished at the weight, get a belt, take on Wlad. Then and only then after some successes, lose to Vitali.

[knn]

call me crazy but i actually think vitali is an easier fight for haye.

I agree.

Wlad is FAR more experienced in boxing all types of boxers. Wlad's boxing experience is approx twice as large as Vitali's.

The lightest (thus fastest) somewhat good opponents Vitali boxed:
Byrd (Vitali loses)
Vaughn Bean (Vitali needs 11 rounds to KO)
Larry Donald (Vitali needs 10 rounds)
Herbie Hide KO2, but Hide is smaller than Haye and I think slower at heavyweight and is a natural cruiser, while David Haye might be a natural heavyweight.

Now I know that this is far from conclusive but Haye has a better chance winning against Vitali than against Wlad, in my humble opinion.

But everything is a moot argument when Haye runs into a heavy hand of Vitali which most probably WILL happen since I don't think Klitschko will be KOed by Haye. But he might break his shoulder again or something else.


OK, so here is what may happen: Haye wins... gets WBC belt... thus earns his shot at Wlad.

[The Hammer]

David Haye may be losing his sharpness in the ring with his lack of activity.

He's fought only once in 15 months - that inactivity can't be doing him any good.

[Dave Rado]

He did stop Monte Barrett in five and some see that as a big accomplishment. Those same people must have forgotten that Barrett was stopped in two rounds by journeyman Cliff Couser only a fights earlier. [details]

It was three fights earlier, not one, and Barrett had had two good wins subsequent to that loss. The Couser loss was a freak, like Gomez's loss to Yanqui Diaz. And no one claimed that beating Barrett was a big accomplishment, only that the manner of his win was a reasonably impressive first performance against a proper Heavyweight, and someone with a reputation as a destroyer of prospects. Even Vitali, who was ringside, said it was an impressive performance.

Very biased article. It's true that Haye may well need to fight some contenders before he can get another shot, and that he needs to stay active or he'll get ring rust - but the bias in the article is unworthy of boxingscene.

It also fails to acknowledge the fact that Boente has said recently that he is still keen to make a fight this year between Haye and one of the Klitschkos if he can.

[Sage84]

David Haye may be losing his sharpness in the ring with his lack of activity.

He's fought only once in 15 months - that inactivity can't be doing him any good.

Wow! Thats the most honest and objective post on David Haye i have ever seen from you Tunney! Your making me proud, maybe my moan at you the other day got through after all? Oh and i agree with you by the way, being off for that long is bad news.