can roach beat mayweathers shoulder roll?

[Pullcounter]

he and toney INVENTED the shuolder roll !!!!

Shoulder doesn't work against southpaws. Go watch floyd vs judah

[RodBarker]

Floyd shoulder roll is pretty much impregnable. That's if you stand in a front of him and try to trade. The key to beating the shoulder roll is with movement, because when you move, you give him more angles to defend. What happens (this is the reason I feel Shane is gonna get crushed by Floyd) is that fighters such as Oscar, Zab and others stand in front of him, planted there feet, and try to exchange with Floyd. Floyd then plants his feet and got into his shoulder roll defense.

The key, and where I think Manny excels in, is moving and trying to turn Floyd and not let him set his feet (if he sets his feet that's when he gets into his shoulder roll defense). Whenever Floyd faces movement, his defense goes from the shoulder roll to both gloves up and trying to block with gloves. That's when he is open for a lot of punches. If he is in the shoulder roll defense, the fighter should be think 1 or maybe 1-2, then out or to the side. When he does that high guard defense, then he is open to a few punches... but I'll spit that knowledge later on if the fight gets made.


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thats exactly how you beat it . thats how roy jones fought james toney

Thing is it isnt Toneys shoulder roll Roach is trying to beat , its Floyds big difference , Roys prime he was like a Floyd he solves you you dont solve him , every move you make he counters it .

[We want Floyd]

I don't know man, I'm more concerned with Floyd's jab than the ****in' shoulder roll. If PAC can't get past the jab then Floyd wouldn't have to get into shoulder roll mode.

Worked the angles when fighting Floyd and feints and PAC needs to get busy with his jab.

[Leakbeak]

The way I would try and beat it is to punch the shoulder with left hooks !

I don't think that would help as normally the roll goes a bit towards the right and is used to block a right hand. When you throw th right and then the left hook after, the roll will already be tucked in and you will never have enough force to open it up. That hook would be better used going for body or solar plexus.

The shoulder roll can be beaten by throwing an overhand right (overhand left in southpaw) aiming for the temples. The roll only protects the chin. the problem is someone like Floyd will incorporate the roll with head movement so will move away from a shot to the temples too. I don't think Floyd will roll too much V Pacman (or it will not be as influential to the outcome of the fight) as he is fighting a southpaw and will try use his feet to evade the left hand.

[Bhopreign]

he and toney INVENTED the shuolder roll !!!!

Floyd doesnt really shoulder roll against southpaws much.

[RodBarker]

I don't think that would help as normally the roll goes a bit towards the right and is used to block a right hand. When you throw th right and then the left hook after, the roll will already be tucked in and you will never have enough force to open it up. That hook would be better used going for body or solar plexus.

The shoulder roll can be beaten by throwing an overhand right (overhand left in southpaw) aiming for the temples. The roll only protects the chin. the problem is someone like Floyd will incorporate the roll with head movement so will move away from a shot to the temples too. I don't think Floyd will roll too much V Pacman (or it will not be as influential to the outcome of the fight) as he is fighting a southpaw and will try use his feet to evade the left hand.

The reason I would do it is because its unorthodox and its easy to land there as its not protected in any way , I dont think you will beat a thinking fighter of Floyds caliber with regular moves , youve got to get him second guessing .

[-EX-]

Don't worry about the shoulder roll. Pacquiao has to be ready for the countering Floyd will do and he has to able to adapt to Floyd's changes in the ring. I don't know if u can teach that. Pacquiao's natural boxing IQ has to strengthen.

[Xcusemymood]

I dunno, I think Roach is a little past his prime. I think Mayweather could probably take him out.

[-EX-]

I dunno, I think Roach is a little past his prime. I think Mayweather could probably take him out.

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[yesiamhandsome]

Shoulder doesn't work against southpaws. Go watch floyd vs judah

Man, you clearly dont know ****, just STFU already,have you ever boxed?