can roach beat mayweathers shoulder roll?

[RodBarker]

The shoulder roll is not something that you prepare for because the user will not beat you with a shoulder roll. Roach has to make the perfect gameplan to beat Floyd's defensive-first style, or at least try to beat Floyd's defensive-first style. Floyd and other Shoulder roll users use it when inside, it's an inside fighting move. Shoulder roll is to suck your opponent in far enough inside that you can tag him with an uppercut or short right hand. Which i just don't see Manny falling for it, i see Manny staying in the outside trying to fight a smart fight, flurrying when he can. Pacquiaos straight left hand will be badly neutralized by Floyd's defense(look at Pacquiao-Marquez 1 how Marquez stayed away from Pacquiao's left after getting tagged by it a lot). If Pacquiao is planning on taking the fight to floyd and winning the fight on aggressiveness, he is going to have be extremely aggresivve and relentless to get Floyd out of his defense. Just my honest opinion.

Your right Floyd uses it not only for defense but for bait thats why when he curls the shoulder you dont move in you move back and crank the left hook into the shoulder ball and move away .

[Skinnyez]

Aggression is not the key to beating mayweather he is always relaxed in the ring. So aggression wont do anything. The only way to beat mayweather is to be mayweather and what that means is to hit and not be hit. You can throw a thousand punches but if you are not landing the more telling punches it doesnt matter and you will just tire yourself out. Pacqiuao will have to learn to fight on the inside if wants a chance because there is no way he will win back peddling becuase he fight going backwards.

[The Gully Gad]

Aggression is not the key to beating mayweather he is always relaxed in the ring. So aggression wont do anything..

Tell that to Castillo..

Thats exactly the key to beating floyd in my eyes
Thought out aggression mind you...

[Fenom]

Fighters have been using it for decades....

i.e. Sugar Ray Robinson

[Fenom]

again.....................

the shoulder roll is an excellent defensive technique... maybe even one of the greatest, but when fighting a southpaw its a bit different. You have to tweak a few things.

Mayweather stands orthodox, so usually when he's fighting another orthodox fighter when they throw a right hand (usually their strongest punch) he's able to easily have the shoulder against his chin and roll it off. Simple. Then he'll counter or do whatever.

Against a southpaw its different because now their strongest punch is coming straight from the other side, theres a clear lane now instead of a shoulder being there. May keeps the shoulder against the left side of his chin... with a southpaw their strongest punch is coming toward the right side, it'd be a bit much for him to roll even more to the right to compensate so more than likely he'd bend down at the waist to avoid the straight left..... or bring his right elbow up to parry an incoming punch.

For evidence check the Zab Judah fight (a southpaw) Floyd rarely used the shoulder roll technique until later in the rounds when he was comfortable and Judah was tiring.... at the beginning he was keeping BOTH hands high and tight until he got a feel of Judah.

[Khalid X]

I was gonna comment on this in my pac/floyd break down, but here is a sneak preview....

Floyd shoulder roll is pretty much impregnable. That's if you stand in a front of him and try to trade. The key to beating the shoulder roll is with movement, because when you move, you give him more angles to defend. What happens (this is the reason I feel Shane is gonna get crushed by Floyd) is that fighters such as Oscar, Zab and others stand in front of him, planted there feet, and try to exchange with Floyd. Floyd then plants his feet and got into his shoulder roll defense.

The key, and where I think Manny excels in, is moving and trying to turn Floyd and not let him set his feet (if he sets his feet that's when he gets into his shoulder roll defense). Whenever Floyd faces movement, his defense goes from the shoulder roll to both gloves up and trying to block with gloves. That's when he is open for a lot of punches. If he is in the shoulder roll defense, the fighter should be think 1 or maybe 1-2, then out or to the side. When he does that high guard defense, then he is open to a few punches... but I'll spit that knowledge later on if the fight gets made.


BTW go back and look at the Oscar, Zab, and Hatton fight to see what Im talking about.

[dannyl15]

You have to fake a punch, have Mayweather prematurely roll the shoulder and when he comes back you have to punch.

[cuzfozzy]

Floyd shoulder roll is pretty much impregnable. That's if you stand in a front of him and try to trade. The key to beating the shoulder roll is with movement, because when you move, you give him more angles to defend. What happens (this is the reason I feel Shane is gonna get crushed by Floyd) is that fighters such as Oscar, Zab and others stand in front of him, planted there feet, and try to exchange with Floyd. Floyd then plants his feet and got into his shoulder roll defense.

The key, and where I think Manny excels in, is moving and trying to turn Floyd and not let him set his feet (if he sets his feet that's when he gets into his shoulder roll defense). Whenever Floyd faces movement, his defense goes from the shoulder roll to both gloves up and trying to block with gloves. That's when he is open for a lot of punches. If he is in the shoulder roll defense, the fighter should be think 1 or maybe 1-2, then out or to the side. When he does that high guard defense, then he is open to a few punches... but I'll spit that knowledge later on if the fight gets made.


exactly ! -
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thats exactly how you beat it . thats how roy jones fought james toney

[Khalid X]

Floyd shoulder roll is pretty much impregnable. That's if you stand in a front of him and try to trade. The key to beating the shoulder roll is with movement, because when you move, you give him more angles to defend. What happens (this is the reason I feel Shane is gonna get crushed by Floyd) is that fighters such as Oscar, Zab and others stand in front of him, planted there feet, and try to exchange with Floyd. Floyd then plants his feet and got into his shoulder roll defense.

The key, and where I think Manny excels in, is moving and trying to turn Floyd and not let him set his feet (if he sets his feet that's when he gets into his shoulder roll defense). Whenever Floyd faces movement, his defense goes from the shoulder roll to both gloves up and trying to block with gloves. That's when he is open for a lot of punches. If he is in the shoulder roll defense, the fighter should be think 1 or maybe 1-2, then out or to the side. When he does that high guard defense, then he is open to a few punches... but I'll spit that knowledge later on if the fight gets made.


exactly ! -
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thats exactly how you beat it . thats how roy jones fought james toney

Yep that's another fight that I saw the shoulder roll exposed. Roy with his movement opened up toney to a **** load of punches.

BTW i've been dropping knowledge left and right and no green K's...lol

[Jim Jeffries]

I thought the shoulder roll didn't work so well against southpaws.