The definitive poll: Who's higher on the ATG list--Calzaghe or Hopkins?

[hookoutofhell]

He "lost" to Sturm because he was out of shape. It's pretty obvious he would have beat him handidly in a rematch. And Glen Johnson hadn't been a Middleweight since 1997...DLH fought Sturm in 2004. Dude, how can you rip me as a biased person then not know your facts?

Back before boxing got silly, if you were bigger than a Welterweight, you were a Middleweight. De La Hoya was EASILY a top 3 calibur Middleweight when he fought Hopkins. And the only name you could decisively put ahead of him is Hopkins. No one else. Jermain Taylor had begun to make a name for himself around that time, but other than him I don't recall a Middleweight who would have beat De La Hoya.

apologies my memories of the MW division are toney, RJJ, hopkins and recently taylor and pavlik.

imo the MW division is in a p!ss poor state these days and i havne't really followed it

still dont think DLH had any buisness at MW - you can prove me wrong one way, if DLH's rehydration measures at MW were the same as they were at WW then i'll accept that he is a genuine MW.

also does anyone have the same facts about tito i.e. what he weighed on the weigh in and what he weighed come fight night from both his days as a WW and MW

[SHB]

No axe to grind you say?

"Showtime made a very aggressive offer so we're confident there will at least be a fight for Joe [in 2007], said Jay Larkin, the former Showtime boxing chief now serving as Calzaghe promoter Frank Warren's U.S. representative."

You just got owned kid, Go take a nap!

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...dan&id=2927585

Er .... emphasis on former Showtime boxing chief. Which is when his comments were made.

Ownage. Heh. Get back to your sister.

[Patheticfraud?]

Reasoning with ******ity is futile

Exactly....

[portuge puncher]

Calzaghe: 40 year old jones, 43 year old hopkins, lacy, kessler

hopkins: prime jones, john jackson, glen johnson, trinidad, william joppy, oscar de la hoya, tarver, wright, pavlik

hopkins in his 30's would have beat calzaghe, and there's no question that hopkins is higher on the ATG's list.

[Patheticfraud?]

Er .... emphasis on former Showtime boxing chief. Which is when his comments were made.

Ownage. Heh. Get back to your sister.

Denial....

[Mr. Ryan]

To me atleast, there really is no discussion. An aged, faded Hopkins made Calzaghe look very vulnerable and awkward. It's a shame the fight didn't happen in their primes.

I used to feel that Hagler>>>>Hopkins but in recent years I've moderated my views and have them somewhere on the same level.

[hookoutofhell]

Well, quite possibly. I picked Calzaghe to win when the fight was first mooted 7 years ago and I stand by that. Calzaghe just was not an attraction to the big names - partly because he wasn't a big draw in the US, partly because he couldn't bring the money they wanted but partly because he was a massive threat to anyone. Hell, we even have Roy Jones saying that he wasn't worth the risk back in the day. If he has the class to say that then you have to wonder why other people can't.

you got a link for that my man? id appreciate it

[Patheticfraud?]

Jay Larkin is and always was in Frank Warrens pocket. Fact!

[SHB]

Reasoning with ******ity is futile

Fair point. The thing I don't understand it the insistence on arguing about what isn't really a relevant issue. Actually, it's par for the course on here.

[Patheticfraud?]

Fair point. The thing I don't understand it the insistence on arguing about what isn't really a relevant issue. Actually, it's par for the course on here.

Do you believe every con because if you do I would be interested in talking to you about MonaVie. Also refer me to anymore Calzaghe fans you might know. I think I just struck the jackpot of gullibility!