The definitive poll: Who's higher on the ATG list--Calzaghe or Hopkins?

[Patheticfraud?]

This is his legacy. A record of defenses of a trinket belt in a division that has barely been around long enough to make an impact and historically has been where fighters go to hide to avoid stiffer competition. A unification of said division. Wins over two aged Legends.

It's hilarious when you really look at it.

Yes and the important thing is most fans know it. The Calzaghe fans who deny any of this are actually very few. Thank god.

[Patheticfraud?]

What amazes me is how arrogant some of the Calzaghe haters are. Reading through this thread, it's totally obvious who the complete ****heads are. Go back, read your posts and consider what a **** you come across as.

We all think the same thing about you.

[Patheticfraud?]

go back to one my earlier posts - this is the issue that i said i had with calzaghe he didn't make the big fights soon enough its only when he was approaching the end of his career that he though **** i gotta make this fight happen, and he made the sacrifices.

this is one of if not the main problem i have with joe. im not a nuthugger im a fan, hes my favourite fighter but i can still see the flaws in him. when he reminsices about not having fought the big names earlier part of me does recognize that calzaghe is to blame.

the links i posted are to show you that calzaghe tried to make the fights happen, im not saying the american names were completely to blame, calzaghe should have been willing to travel earlier. but you have to recognize that it is harder for euro fighters, and there does seem to be double standard for euro fighters.

what i do think you're conveniently forgetting is what hopkins did in 2002. that was in my eyes a blatant duck, asking for double the money is a sign of a fighter who doesn't want the fight to happen puts in an unreasonable request and avoids the fight.

besides why should calzaghe have to go and face a US fighter in the US, why dont the US fighter travel more often. the cardiff stadium pulled in more people than the majority of if not all of the US venues.

as for calzaghe not unifying, there a few reasons. sven ottke was probably the main one, i think any criticsm here for joe not making the fight is slightly harsh.

calzaghe actually fought alot of fighters who were either ex-champs or champs. timing of the fights was always an issue for him and the belts always seemed to evade him until they rested with kessler. take the WBC belt for instance it went to malinga, then woodhall, then beyer. the WBA went from mitchell, to siaca, mundine and again it was only until kessler got it that the title stopped swtiching hands. through this period the one title that didn't go anywhere was the WBO.

i know that it took a long time for calzaghe to actually get his hands on all the belts but there is no doubt that he cleaned out the division and fought everyone worth fighting, he took care of everyone in the top 10. to say that the only fighter he fought worth mentioning is eubank is slightly OTT - sheika had just beat johnson, kess had 4/5 wins over top 10 comp. lacy was the messiah according to some people, mitchell had held the WBA title and lost it to ottke, brwer was ranked in the top 10 had held the IBF (i think) and again had only just lost to ottke.

Just thought I would let you know I didn't read one word of that. Thanks for playing....

[hookoutofhell]

are all 85 posts that **** patheticfraud - cause if they are i dont think anyone bothers to read what you write

[Burner]

Anyone who votes Calzaghe knows Jack **** about boxing.

[Obama]

How I rate their resumes:

Hopkins

'A' level wins:
Felix Trinidad, Oscar De La Hoya
'A-' level wins:
Winky Wright, Kelly Pavlik
'B' level wins:
Action Jackson, Glen Johnson, Simon Brown, Robert Allen (x2), Antwun Echols (x2), Keith Holmes, Carl Daniels, William Joppy, Howard Eastman, Antonio Tarver
'B-' level wins:
Lupe Aquino


Calzaghe
'A' level wins:
None
'A-' level wins:
Mikkel Kessler, Bernard Hopkins
'B' level wins:
Chris Eubank, Robin Reid, Jeff Lacy, Sakio Bika
'B-' level wins:
Richie Woodhall, Charles Brewer, Bryon Mitchell, Roy Jones Jr.

*Anyone not mentioned I consider C level and below, hence not credible opponents.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

LOL. You have to be a Joe fan. You realize that OLD ass hopkins that put Joe down is his best win right ******?

Mercado put Hopkins down twice. Hopkins sux azz lmao pwn!

See what i did there?

[hookoutofhell]

How I rate their resumes:

Hopkins

'A' level wins:
Felix Trinidad, Oscar De La Hoya
'A-' level wins:
Winky Wright, Kelly Pavlik
'B' level wins:
Action Jackson, Glen Johnson, Simon Brown, Robert Allen (x2), Antwun Echols (x2), Keith Holmes, Carl Daniels, William Joppy, Howard Eastman, Antonio Tarver
'B-' level wins:
Lupe Aquino


Calzaghe
'A' level wins:
None
'A-' level wins:
Mikkel Kessler, Bernard Hopkins
'B' level wins:
Chris Eubank, Robin Reid, Jeff Lacy, Sakio Bika
'B-' level wins:
Richie Woodhall, Charles Brewer, Bryon Mitchell, Roy Jones Jr.

*Anyone not mentioned I consider C level and below, hence not credible opponents.

i can see the bias seeping out of the post and onto the bloody computer screen.

alot of ardent hopkins supporters acknowledge that DLH at 160 had lost to felix sturm and was never a real name at 160, the fact that you have him listed so highly above johnson and tarver tells me everything

oh btw you forgot to rank hopkins losses to just about any elite fighter who belonged in the weight division

[FistoftheDallasStar]

The reason I pick Calzaghe is he beat Hopkins head to head. And he was literally left on an Island for some time (how ironic..lol.) without facing any American fighters early in his career. The backlash of the loss of Gerald McClellan and the presumed "do anything to win" aura of the UK at the time robbed Calzaghe from fighting the best. It wasn't his fault that fights with Roy Jones jr. and Hopkins could never materialize until after the fighters prime. To be good for so long deserves some praise.

[Patheticfraud?]

are all 85 posts that **** patheticfraud - cause if they are i dont think anyone bothers to read what you write

You do......