The definitive poll: Who's higher on the ATG list--Calzaghe or Hopkins?

[Patheticfraud?]

Looks like the alts are out in full affect. Calzaghe just got 5 votes in 5 minutes. Amazing what the butt lickers will go through just to make there hero look good on an internet poll.

[damned]

hopkins has a whos who resume but his wins are always over fighters that had no buisness at that weight - winky, DLH, tito.

the kelly fight was one that was tailor made for hopkins, kelly was slow and plodding at these higher weights and hopkins noticed it, iv always said that pavlik was made to order for hopkins.

the two genuine wins that i think you have to give hopkins credit for are his wins over tarver and johnson.

btw calzaghe never wanted the manfredo fight but thats the sort of **** that euros have to do to earn recognition. you make it out that calzaghe never tried to get the big fights with tarver, johnsin, hopkins RJ, taylor or wright

To be honest-Joe was supposed to fight Glen Johnson but backed out-2 times because of his "wrist" injuries,but took another fight instead.I've never heard of Joe seriously persuing Taylor or Wright,but aren't those the sort that by your standard are "out of thier weight class",yet when Hopkins fought them,he receives no credit for defeating a boxing purist such as Wright?If Joe defeated them would you rejoice or refrain from him as a fan?
Why would Roy or Hopkins fly to Wales to fight someone who won't provide a payday such as Joe Calzaghe back then? Roy and Hops were the stars back then...as Calzaghe himself said of Kelly Pavlik-he didn't provide a big enough name.
As far as Hopkins fighting Tito-If your memory serves you correctly-Tito was a devestating figure slated to destroy Bernard...It was a different story when Hopkins was the first to ko him.Same with Kelly Pavlik.It wasn't about their weight-it was ALL about their styles.Is this the same excuses we are going to hear about Manny if Floyd beats him? Same concept...

[SHB]

Again people are confusing resume with who is the better fighter.

Hopkins has better names if not necessarily better opponents (DLH at 160 FFS) but ask me who wins prime vs prime and who is the better boxer and I'll pick Calzaghe. Just a shame we never got to see it in 2003 when Hopkins reneged on his agreement.

[strugler]

BHOP....................but all those saying JOE is a bum......are all just haters...........

[Patheticfraud?]

Again people are confusing resume with who is the better fighter.

Hopkins has better names if not necessarily better opponents (DLH at 160 FFS) but ask me who wins prime vs prime and who is the better boxer and I'll pick Calzaghe. Just a shame we never got to see it in 2003 when Hopkins reneged on his agreement.

You mean his agreement to fight a nobody in another country in another weight division when he was in the middle of a historic title defense reign in a real division?

[SHB]

You mean his agreement to fight a nobody in another country in another weight division when he was in the middle of a historic title defense reign in a real division?

Yes. He, King and Showtime agreed terms. He backed out. And frankly Calzaghe would have been a tougher fight than any of his MW defences.

Look, you can't have it both ways. Criticise Calzaghe for not fighting these big names and then you say why should they bother fighting him.

[Obama]

i can see the bias seeping out of the post and onto the bloody computer screen.

alot of ardent hopkins supporters acknowledge that DLH at 160 had lost to felix sturm and was never a real name at 160, the fact that you have him listed so highly above johnson and tarver tells me everything

oh btw you forgot to rank hopkins losses to just about any elite fighter who belonged in the weight division

You don't even know me and you're talking about bias.

De La Hoya despite being in his 6th weight division was still in the prime of his career. He also came into the fight in top conditioning, unlike the Sturm fight. He gave a great account for himself in the fight prior to the KO.

Johnson was pre-prime when Hopkins beat him. He was at his best circa 2004.

Tarver was post-prime when Hopkins beat him, and only A- in his prime to begin with. You saw Tarver slip in the third RJJ fight.

And I didn't forget to rank his losses, most don't mean all that much considering he never lost in his prime, and Calzaghe beat him after he was already over the hill. I'm sure you'll come back with "how did he beat Pavlik so easily then?", but I have an answer for that too.

[Patheticfraud?]

Yes. He, King and Showtime agreed terms. He backed out. And frankly Calzaghe would have been a tougher fight than any of his MW defences.

Look, you can't have it both ways. Criticise Calzaghe for not fighting these big names and then you say why should they bother fighting him.

You mean a verbal agreement or a real agreement like the one Calslappy backed out of to fight Glen Johnson 3 times?

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Yes. He, King and Showtime agreed terms. He backed out. And frankly Calzaghe would have been a tougher fight than any of his MW defences.

Look, you can't have it both ways. Criticise Calzaghe for not fighting these big names and then you say why should they bother fighting him.

A common logical **** up that the people who make it never have an answer for.

[hookoutofhell]

To be honest-Joe was supposed to fight Glen Johnson but backed out-2 times because of his "wrist" injuries,but took another fight instead.I've never heard of Joe seriously persuing Taylor or Wright,but aren't those the sort that by your standard are "out of thier weight class",yet when Hopkins fought them,he receives no credit for defeating a boxing purist such as Wright?If Joe defeated them would you rejoice or refrain from him as a fan?
Why would Roy or Hopkins fly to Wales to fight someone who won't provide a payday such as Joe Calzaghe back then? Roy and Hops were the stars back then...as Calzaghe himself said of Kelly Pavlik-he didn't provide a big enough name.
As far as Hopkins fighting Tito-If your memory serves you correctly-Tito was a devestating figure slated to destroy Bernard...It was a different story when Hopkins was the first to ko him.Same with Kelly Pavlik.It wasn't about their weight-it was ALL about their styles.Is this the same excuses we are going to hear about Manny if Floyd beats him? Same concept...

yeah glen and joe were supposed to face off but hand injuries have delayed bouts before, glen though i might as well stay busy and ended up KO'in RJJ so he made a pretty good choice. zaghe himslef eventually ended up unifying with lacy and launching himself in the states. its a real shame that the calzaghe/johnson fights didn't come off - both guys come to fight throw plenty of punches and itwould have been a favourite.

calzaghe didn't really chase the fightswith wright or taylor, listening to him after the fights he wanted taylor because taylor had just beat hopkins and i remeber him saying before the pavlik fights he was thinking of moving up, so he would have been fighting at a weight that was comfortable for him. at one point neogotiations with the taylor were camp were pretty serious but money issues got in the way i think.

wright was always a fall back option, the fights with wright were never really pursued. if the fight had come off at 168 and joe had won then i think it is only fair that he be given the same credit as hopkins. personally, judging from the look of wright at 170 i wouldn't have ranked it as a good win for calzage. in the same way i dont rank it a good win for hopkins. respectable? yeah but good no i think hopkins win over johnson is much better.

joe at the time was fighting in poor arenas but when a big fight did come around warren did deliver - ican't remeber what the gate reciepts were fpr the lacy fight but they were better than some of the US venues.

anyway if my memory serves me right i was picking hopkins to win against pavlik, tito and DLH all three fights were at a weight in which the other fighters weren't comfortable.

agree that iv sometimes overlooked the styles, but my point is that hopkins is calling out smaller fighters (tito, DLH) and picking on fighters who are easy for him to beat (pavlik, froch). the few times he has faced genuinely good fighters in their own weight division he has lost (taylor, RJJ, calzaghe) - with the exception of tarver and johnson which i rate as very good wins.