Pavlik vs. Abraham Pushed Back To December, January

[Dorian]

You cant run forever Pavlik....

[Butterball]

[Pullcounter]

if pac/floyd gets made late 2009, i don't think hbo will have enough money in their budget to make abraham/pavlik

[Ray*]

Why would pavlik be scared? Abraham is nothing like hopkins, is a poor mover and a seriously wide puncher, he hits hard but there are opportunities for kelly to get him down the pipe. Lujan Simon gave abraham a run for his money, so im not quick with the pavik is scared stuff.

Where in my post did i suggest that??

[Technical_Skill]

Where in my post did i suggest that??

Im just asking you.

[Ray*]

Im just asking you.

I dont think he's ducking AA and am not suggesting it, My point was instead of both fighters fighting low-level fighter and pushing it back to the end of the year like Arum wanted to why didnt they make the fight now???

[Technical_Skill]

I dont think he's ducking AA and am not suggesting it, My point was instead of both fighters fighting low-level fighter and pushing it back to the end of the year like Arum wanted to why didnt they make the fight now???

Who knows, maybe arum wants to drag abraham out to death with the weight, then get him in with Kelly.

But who knows.

[Clegg]

Who knows, maybe arum wants to drag abraham out to death with the weight, then get him in with Kelly.

But who knows.

I agree that Pavlik isn't scared. I'm sure he'd fight anyone. But Arum...hmm.

I think part of it is money.

Abraham is a bigger risk than Mora, but he's hardly a big draw. No doubt AA's asking price is a lot higher than Mora's as well. Risk/reward and all that.

[Landshark]

The love fest for Abraham here is just absurd. The guy won his belt in late 2005 and hasn't fought an 'A' opponent yet. Pavlik won his in late '07 but was contractually bound for the rematch in early '08. Yet, Pavlik is the one who is avoiding tough competition? I don't think so. I can't even imagine the crap Pavlik would get for a rematch with Miranda, yet Abraham was praised for the same fight.

Also, since when are Abraham's weight issues Pavlik's problem? Maybe Abraham should have thought about that when he was fighting 'B' or 'C' opponents for 3 years in Europe. Even though no one in the US except hardcore fans even knows who Abraham is, Pavlik is still going to fight him. Sorry that Pavlik isn't staying up at night worrying about whether Abraham will have to work hard to make weight, especially since Pavlik is a big middle himself. Obviously it didn't work out too well, but Pavlik moved up almost two weight classes to fight a Hall of Fame, P4P opponent. When has Abraham shown the same willingness to make a fight?

And, even if Pavlik did dodge Abraham, the whole sob story kind of falls apart when you consider that Super Middle is, by far, the more prestigious and option-filled division right now. If Abraham is so good, why not just go straight to a title fight at SMW and call out Pavlik from there? Pavlik is going to have to move up eventually anyway. Perhaps the real reason for all the Abraham/weight talk is so that, if Pavlik beats Abraham, he'll have a ready made excuse and can flee to SMW, maybe taking a bogus belt and defending it against joke competition for another few years like he did at MW.

So if he so awful fighting bums, why does not pavlik take this easy fight and finish off with abraham?

[Guest]

You dont seem to get it, Pavlik and AA are busy fighting bunch of low-level competition instead of facing each other, Now we all know AA and his promoters have been ready for a pavlik fight for sometime now(According to reports) but Arum kept pushing it back for pavlik to have another meaningless defence.

I remember when Jermaine Taylor was the Undisputed champ at 160 before he fought Pavlik he was ridiculed by us(Boxing fans), Media and arum for fighting people like Cory spinks,Kassim Ouma when pavlik was there.

Now Arum is doing the samething with Pavlik by having him fight the same meaningless fights like Taylor did in Lockett,Rubio and now Mora??
Sorry but this doesnt look good at all.

I agree that Pavlik isn't scared. I'm sure he'd fight anyone. But Arum...hmm.

I think part of it is money.

Abraham is a bigger risk than Mora, but he's hardly a big draw. No doubt AA's asking price is a lot higher than Mora's as well. Risk/reward and all that.

This fight would be gigantic in Germany WHERE AA is very big, but in the U.S. where it would happen, I don't think the same money would be there yet.
I doubt if Pavlik would go overseas to fight him and AA wants to fight in the U.S.A more.