HYPOTHETICAL: If Mayweather DOMINATES Pacquiao, where does PBF belong among ATG's?

[strugler]

Alright, I numbered those 1, 2, and 3. My responses will be directed the the number that I gave your paragraphs.

1.) Floyd must face a legit Welterweight before he can get a higher position, ATG wise? He's probably going to, in Shane Mosley. But I still don't see how he must face someone at 147 to be ranked higher.

2.) Floyd was very impressive, I suggest you go back and watch all of his fights from 130-135. he had some masterful performances there against some tough opposition in Hernandez, Manfredy, Juuko, Augustus, Corrales, Castillo, and Chavez.

3.) Yes, the competition is close. If you're going to bring up Ledwaba, Larios, and Diaz, then I'm going to bring up Genaro Hernandez, Carlos Hernandez, and Jesus Chavez.

So now it's Pac's Ledwaba, Barrera, Morales, Marquez, Larios, Diaz, Oscar, and Ricky.

vs.

Floyd's Hernandez, Corrales, Hernandez, Chavez, Castillo, N'dou, Oscar, and Ricky.

That's pretty damn close if you ask me.

I'd edge Pac, as I said.

But it's nowhere near the wipeout you're suggesting.

If you haven't already (your dismissive attitude is leading me to believe you haven't), you should watch those Mayweather fights.

If for nothing else, to study up on Floyd because your boy is going to get it on with him within the next year.

Fair enough.............but barrera x 2, Morales x3, JMM at comfortable weight class x 2..............blows it out for me...........all PBF has is Castillo x 2.....................Castillo aint even in these guys level...imo

Memorable/most impressive wins against hof/atg...........PBF has Oscar ........... Pac has MAB/El terrible/JMM/Oscar..

[El Dominicano]

So what you're saying is that pac and pbf continues to grow and they are the same size because at 16 they weighed the same?

So you don't take into account that boys mature at different stages of their teens. There might also be racial parameters so that blacks develop at another pace than asians? Furthermore you should also take into account in your logic that Floyd is some 2 years older and heavier.

Fact 1: Pacquiao has outweghied Mayweather in every division Mayweather has faught in

Fact 2: Pacquiao would be 148 against JMM, if a 3rd fight happend, the same Floyd will weigh on July 18th, so what is the problem?

[BattlingNelson]

Fact 1: Pacquiao has outweghied Mayweather in every division Mayweather has faught in

Fact 2: Pacquiao would be 148 against JMM, if a 3rd fight happend, the same Floyd will weigh on July 18th, so what is the problem?

The problem was Bringer's logic. Just because two boys weigh the same at 16 doesn't mean that they weigh the same at twice that age.

And Manny was 140 vs. Hatton while Floyd was 147 and he has been fighting at or above 147 since 2005. In 2005 pac was a superfeatherweight.

[El Dominicano]

The problem was Bringer's logic. Just because two boys weigh the same at 16 doesn't mean that they weigh the same at twice that age.

And Manny was 140 vs. Hatton while Floyd was 147 and he has been fighting at or above 147 since 2005. In 2005 pac was a superfeatherweight.

Ofcourse, not everyone grows at the same rate, but you really can't say Pacquiao is smaller then Floyd Mayweather because he started as a FW, doesn't work like that either.

[ßringer]

Fair enough.............but barrera x 2, Morales x3, JMM at comfortable weight class x 2..............blows it out for me...........all PBF has is Castillo x 2.....................Castillo aint even in these guys level...imo

Memorable/most impressive wins against hof/atg...........PBF has Oscar ........... Pac has MAB/El terrible/JMM/Oscar..

You don't think Corrales, Castillo, and Hernandez are future Hall of Famers?

That's ashame. They all gave us so much.

And Marquez and Oscar aren't ATG's.

Marquez, as much as I love him, is only HOF worthy.

And Oscar was never ATG worthy IMO. He lost every fight that ever matered in his career. (Mosley X2, Tito, Hopkins, Mayweather, Manny)

[QUISQUEYA]

The problem was Bringer's logic. Just because two boys weigh the same at 16 doesn't mean that they weigh the same at twice that age.

And Manny was 140 vs. Hatton while Floyd was 147 and he has been fighting at or above 147 since 2005. In 2005 pac was a superfeatherweight.

Nelson, you are lying.

Manny was 144 vs Barrera
Manny was 147 vs Diaz
Manny was 148 vs Oscar
Manny was 148 vs Ricky

That is Manny's size over the past 2 years.

[ßringer]

The problem was Bringer's logic. Just because two boys weigh the same at 16 doesn't mean that they weigh the same at twice that age.

And Manny was 140 vs. Hatton while Floyd was 147 and he has been fighting at or above 147 since 2005. In 2005 pac was a superfeatherweight.

Manny weighs in on fight night at, or close to Floyd.

Going all the way back to 130 even.

On fight night against Barrera in the rematch, Manny weighed in at 144.

Against Diaz he weight in at 147, and against Oscar and Ricky he weighed in at 148.

When Mayweather fought Oscar he weighed in at 150, and when he fought Ricky, he weighed in at 147.

[ßringer]

Nelson, you are lying.

Manny was 144 vs Barrera
Manny was 147 vs Diaz
Manny was 148 vs Oscar
Manny was 148 vs Ricky

That is Manny's size over the past 2 years.

Damn you and your faster fingers.

[El Dominicano]

Again, since Battling Nelson didn't answer me.

What is the problem with Floyd being 148 against JMM as oppose to Pacquiao being 148 in a 3rd fight against Marquez?

[BattlingNelson]

Ofcourse, not everyone grows at the same rate, but you really can't say Pacquiao is smaller then Floyd Mayweather because he started as a FW, doesn't work like that either.

Right. But it's clear that Floyd has been at or above WW for 3½ years and that Manny moved up to LW less than a year ago. These weights are recent and therefor better as a base of discussion.