better counter puncher, marquez or mayweather?

[Maestro USA]

this is what i meant thou, i even said exclusively



http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/counterpunch -----> for the clowns

You can counter my punch with your face. Is that good enough for you, ok ******?

[nujabes77]

No problem!

*******777 is too ****** to realize he's wrong, so I felt the need to explain it terms even a monkey could understand.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/counterpunch

even a monkey can understand that, i hope you do

[Technical_Skill]

Look at the earlier definition of a counterpunch

"A counterattack, begun immediately after an opponent throws a punch"

It does not say a counter punch is dependant on slipping

It says....

A "counter-puncher" typically waits for his opponent to throw punches, then blocks or slips past them and exploits the opening in his opponent's position.

Its simply giving an example of what a "typical" counterpuncher does.

I dont believe this definition says

"Unless you slip or block the punch its not a counterpunch"

Thats why I can kind of see what he's getting at.

Re-quoted.

[El Dominicano]

Here, a great defensive fighter/ counter puncher. Toney doesn't get hit nearly as much as JMM

[nujabes77]

Re-quoted.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/counterpunch

here you go

[nujabes77]

lolz @ mayweather mafia getting owned by the pacman, hahahhahahaha

[Mersey]

Re-quoted.

But, when talking about who's a better counterpuncher, surely the defensive part comes into play?

[Maestro USA]

Here, a great defensive fighter/ counter puncher. Toney doesn't get hit nearly as much as JMM

Counterpunching and defense go hand in hand like peanut butter and jelly, and judging from that Video, Toney loves both

[Technical_Skill]

But, when talking about who's a better counterpuncher, surely the defensive part comes into play?

It's down to your own interpretations, but the definition itself seems to say a counterpunch is not dependant of slipping or moving the other punch.

Which makes sense to me right now considering the nonito doniare vs raul martinez example i used earlier.

[Mersey]

Counterpunching and defense go hand in hand like peanut butter and jelly, and judging from that Video, Toney loves both