better counter puncher, marquez or mayweather?

[El Dominicano]

Pacman777, everyone is wrong at some point, just call it a day and we can talk boxing properly.

That ain't an easy thing to do but Pacman777, take this advice.

[baracuda]

well we all know you have the i.q. of a monkey so **** coming from you does not count

i agree.curious george is smarter than maestro though!

[El Jesus]

Its difficult to explain, how about this?

You dont have to slip a punch whilst countering for it to be a counterpunch

A few weeks ago Nonito Doniare knocked down Raul Martinez with a counter left milliseconds after being hit with a right.

This is what he's on about.

Even if thats what he meant, both JMM and Floyd have knockouts in the exact same manner, to say one does it better than the other doesnt make any sense unless this is another "how can we indirectly praise my fav fighter by way of common opponents" thread, which you know it is.

especially with NO specific examples to back it up.

[Maestro USA]

Its difficult to explain, how about this?

You dont have to slip a punch whilst countering for it to be a counterpunch

A few weeks ago Nonito Doniare knocked down Raul Martinez with a counter left milliseconds after being hit with a right.

This is what he's on about.

If the punch wasn't countered, then it's not a counterpunch.

If two guys knockout eachother at the same time, under that flawed logic, both would have countered eachother. No! A counterpunch is countering, not getting hit either by a slip or block, and then returning a punch that lands.

[El Dominicano]

If the punch wasn't countered, then it's not a counterpunch.

If two guys knockout eachother at the same time, under that flawed logic, both would have countered eachother. No! A counterpunch is countering, not getting hit either by a slip or block, and then returning a punch that lands.

Exactly, well said man.

[nujabes77]

Okay, I actually get what pacman7777 means, he's just worded it wrongly.

I think he's talking exclusively about the timing of a counterpunch, rather than wether a guy throwing it slips it or not.

Difficult to explain, but those are the kind of lines he is going along.

But he needs to call it day with the bickering.

You dont have to slip a punch whilst countering for it to be a counterpunch

A few weeks ago Nonito Doniare knocked down Raul Martinez with a counter left milliseconds after being hit with a right.

this is what i meant thou, i even said exclusively



http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/counterpunch -----> for the clowns

[nujabes77]

i agree.curious george is smarter than maestro though!

hahahhahahahaha, try to read some his post. more bitter and ****** than xcarets

[Maestro USA]

Exactly, well said man.

No problem!

*******777 is too ****** to realize he's wrong, so I felt the need to explain it terms even a monkey could understand.

[nujabes77]

That ain't an easy thing to do but Pacman777, take this advice.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/counterpunch

clown, where here does it talk about defense

[Technical_Skill]

If the punch wasn't countered, then it's not a counterpunch.

If two guys knockout eachother at the same time, under that flawed logic, both would have countered eachother. No! A counterpunch is countering, not getting hit either by a slip or block, and then returning a punch that lands.

Look at the earlier definition of a counterpunch

"A counterattack, begun immediately after an opponent throws a punch"

It does not say a counter punch is dependant on slipping

It says....

A "counter-puncher" typically waits for his opponent to throw punches, then blocks or slips past them and exploits the opening in his opponent's position.

Its simply giving an example of what a "typical" counterpuncher does.

I dont believe this definition says

"Unless you slip or block the punch its not a counterpunch"

Thats why I can kind of see what he's getting at.