All BS aside, name the fighters in your lifetime with BETTER SKILLS than Floyd, Jr...

[elfag]

roy jones defence is even if not better than floyds, you did'nt jones get a bloody nose or a black eye often, and floyd's defence uses the same principle jones uses, reflexes, wants floyds reflexes are gone he wont be able to shoulder roll **** and he is'nt known for his power so when his reflexes do deplete to a noticable level he's gonna get hammered and not be able to get a majority his opponents off him

I would be more worried about PBF's hands holding up long term. His defense is not the same at all as Roy Jones, Jones kept his hands by his waist all the time and speed was his only defense. PBF has more tricks than that and although his speed is certainly helpful you can still shoulder roll with less speed.

No power and slower speed means no longevity? What do you think fat james toney was?

[Ido]

Juan Manuel Marquez.

[QUISQUEYA]

amazing though, not to sound racist because I think everyone who knows me knows Im not but just about everyone mentions Black fighters when it comes to the most "skillful"

wrong perception IMO

Delahoya
Barrera
Castillo
JMM

Those are some guys who I would say have high-level, well-rounded skills. For some reason, I give Chavez less credit bc he was more mechanical to me. I always knew what JCC was coming to do.

Similarly, I wouldn't put Camacho on my top-tier list. And I love me some Camacho. Although he had a great chin, and was a tough kid, he can be bullied. No way a guy like him should lose to a Haugen.

[QUISQUEYA]

roy jones defence is even if not better than floyds, you did'nt jones get a bloody nose or a black eye often, and floyd's defence uses the same principle jones uses, reflexes, wants floyds reflexes are gone he wont be able to shoulder roll **** and he is'nt known for his power so when his reflexes do deplete to a noticable level he's gonna get hammered and not be able to get a majority his opponents off him

Exact opposite, dude.

Those high-level fundamentals are what will allow Floyd to stay on the ropes or in the pocket and NOT take a beating. Guys like Jones, SRL or Ali who defended with their feet and broke all the rules because they were athletic gods? THOSE are the guys who take beatings later in their careers.

Hopkins, Toney, Floyd. You will hit more elbow and shoulder than head.

[QUISQUEYA]

I would be more worried about PBF's hands holding up long term. His defense is not the same at all as Roy Jones, Jones kept his hands by his waist all the time and speed was his only defense. PBF has more tricks than that and although his speed is certainly helpful you can still shoulder roll with less speed.

No power and slower speed means no longevity? What do you think fat james toney was?

El***,

Good catch on an "attribute". We haven't discussed durability. That is an important component.

[MACAQUEINBLACK]

but i do think a prime roy was more versatile....

Then why, as his athletic gifts faded, was he unable to adapt and remain competetive with the best?

Jones' contemporary, Bernard Hopkins, is more versatile than Roy.

but i do think a prime roy was more versatile....we've seen him effectively use his athletic ability to counter, and we've also seen that he can be an aggressor...we've seen him carry fights, and we've seen him end the show early...

But we've seen a lot of variety from Mayweather Jr., too. Take an attentive trip through his back catalogue.

[MACAQUEINBLACK]

but i do think a prime roy was more versatile....

Then why, as his athletic gifts faded, was he unable to adapt and remain competetive with the best?

Or are we attributing his decline entirely to damage inflicted by the 2 KO losses?

[Owlzfan84]

Most naturally skilled fighter i have ever seen....its just a shame he never really tested himself to the fullest extent. not saying his resume is bad...but i just wish he got in the ring with some of the elite guys at welterweight or even Kostya Tszyu.

[Eaner0919]

Delahoya
Barrera
Castillo
JMM

Those are some guys who I would say have high-level, well-rounded skills. For some reason, I give Chavez less credit bc he was more mechanical to me. I always knew what JCC was coming to do.

Similarly, I wouldn't put Camacho on my top-tier list. And I love me some Camacho. Although he had a great chin, and was a tough kid, he can be bullied. No way a guy like him should lose to a Haugen.

fair enough

I just like how JMM in prime had the skills to match his smarts

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Then why, as his athletic gifts faded, was he unable to adapt and remain competetive with the best?

Jones' contemporary, Bernard Hopkins, is more versatile than Roy.




But we've seen a lot of variety from Mayweather Jr., too. Take an attentive trip through his back catalogue.

Or are we attributing his decline entirely to damage inflicted by the 2 KO losses?

what part of 'prime roy' got you lost?