All BS aside, name the fighters in your lifetime with BETTER SKILLS than Floyd, Jr...

[-MAKAVELLI-]

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[QUISQUEYA]

Joe Calzaghe cannot throw punches.That disqualifies him from any conversation IMO.


If you walked into a gym, and didn't know who they were, and saw Calzaghe and Judah next to each other shadow boxing and hitting the heavy bag....who would you have guessed is the better fighter?

I watch this guy. The speed and straightness of the left hand, how easily he slides his feet. How quickly he balances..and i think : WHAT AN EFFING WASTE.

[Bushbaby]

B-Hop has proven his skill against elite fighters on a broader level.Sugar Ray has also proven his skill at a broader level,so has Sweet Pea,so I would say based on their level of opponents,these 3 proved to have better skill!!

[QUISQUEYA]

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[BmoreBrawler]

Boxing skills include:

Sharp, accurate punching
Footwork
Positioning
Able to throw every punch in the arsenal
Defense
Speed
Mental preparedness
Ability to adapt
Versatility
Ring vision
Timing
Etc...



And you can even include "attributes":

Chin
Power
Stamina
Side note: many people disagree with my general separation of "skills" and "attributes". But I like to argue that Willie Pep are Pernell Whitaker are very skilled. But they didn't have the natural attribute of power.
Maybe the best way for me to put it is that "skills are improvable", and "power is generally not improvable".


Muhammad Ali?
Pernell Whitaker?
Sugar Ray Leonard?
Marco Antonio Barrera?
Shane Mosley?
Roy Jones, Jr?? (????)
Pinklon Thomas
Bernard Hopkins
Manny Pacquiao?


Who are the guys you would say are "more skilled" than Floyd?

I ask this because Floyd SENIOR and Roger are very critical of other fighters, and I think they have been spoiled by being so close to Lil Floyd.

Floyd LOOKS to a lot of people to have ATG talent but at the end of the day you have to prove yourself and he hasnt proven himself to be more skilled than guys like Ali/Duran/Robinson etc.

Of course to the layman(or black supremacist) guys like Floyd and Judah look talented, but at the end of the day a fighter needs trial by fire.

[Bhopreign]

You perceive Roy to be a more versatile fighter?

I put the (extra) question marks next to Roy because people say he was 'an athletic freak", not a boxer. But i have seen RJJ's amateur bouts. He did use a more classic (fundamental) style.

No he wasnt as versatile in my opinion. When you add all things up, Floyd has Roy beat IMO. Floyd has won many fights almost solely on defense, he will make his opponents miss until they get tired then he will unload. Not sure I've really seen it to the signifigance that Floyd has utilized.

[-MAKAVELLI-]

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you heard wrong...he was a ****head...he had a thread about brit women doing ******* contests tho...the only interesting thread he made


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[QUISQUEYA]

I'd give Chavez pretty close to a 50 for offense... that man could mix his shots up like no one I've ever seen. He knew which part of your body you were going to block and then threw to the other part...

But his defense was pretty ass terrible.

So 48O + 27D = 75 total.

That certainly would beat a 40O + 40D = 80, because his chin would be enough to keep him in the fight, and he would be landing more and harder.

I couldn't give Chavez a super-high offensive rating because of his one-dimensionality in that area. Much like i would give joe Frazier. the problem is that those guys did that one thing SO well, that you couldn't stop it.



Ricky Hatton is a (very) junior version of that.

[Chr0nic]

roy jones defence is even if not better than floyds, you did'nt jones get a bloody nose or a black eye often, and floyd's defence uses the same principle jones uses, reflexes, wants floyds reflexes are gone he wont be able to shoulder roll **** and he is'nt known for his power so when his reflexes do deplete to a noticable level he's gonna get hammered and not be able to get a majority his opponents off him

[Left Hook Tua]

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