All BS aside, name the fighters in your lifetime with BETTER SKILLS than Floyd, Jr...

[cosmichorn]

Danny williams
Tyson fury
Tye fields
Nikoli valuev



.....But seriously i would say hamed had a lot of skills but wasnt as textbook at floyd

[QUISQUEYA]

Roy Jones Jr
Sugar Ray Leonard

The thing that bothers me about SRL was his defense. Like Ali, SRL's chin was his defense too many times.

I have Floyd close to SRL in terms of overall ranking - but they accumulate their 'points' in different ways. For example, if you say that offense is 50% and defense is 50%:

Out of a total 50 points:

Ray: Offensive points - 45, Defensive points - 40 - TOTAL - 85

FMJ - Offensive points - 38, Defensive points - 48; TOTAL - 86

Pea- Offensive points - 35, Defensive points - 50; Total - 85

Just an illustrative example


I understand that many people will disagree that offense and defense should be equally weighted.

[TRUEBELIEVER 66]

ALI
LEONARD
DURAN
HAGLER
SALVADOR SANCHEZ.
Holyfield-prime
to many others..
Mayweather = cherry picker, over-rated, barley beat Castillo, and Oscar, even his daddy thought Oscar won, and said his boy quit because he was afraid to lose...

[-MAKAVELLI-]

You perceive Roy to be a more versatile fighter?

I put the (extra) question marks next to Roy because people say he was 'an athletic freak", not a boxer. But i have seen RJJ's amateur bouts. He did use a more classic (fundamental) style.

i've seen his amateur bouts as well...it was a surprise to see his style 'altered' when he turned pro...there was minimal 'flash' when the headgear was on...


but i do think a prime roy was more versatile....we've seen him effectively use his athletic ability to counter, and we've also seen that he can be an aggressor...we've seen him carry fights, and we've seen him end the show early...

[QUISQUEYA]

RJJ
Mike Tyson
Hopkins
Calzaghe

Joe Calzaghe cannot throw punches.That disqualifies him from any conversation IMO.


If you walked into a gym, and didn't know who they were, and saw Calzaghe and Judah next to each other shadow boxing and hitting the heavy bag....who would you have guessed is the better fighter?

[Fox McCloud]

The thing that bothers me about SRL was his defense. Like Ali, SRL's chin was his defense too many times.

I have Floyd close to SRL in terms of overall ranking - but they accumulate their 'points' in different ways. For example, if you say that offense is 50% and defense is 50%:

Out of a total 50 points:

Ray: Offensive points - 45, Defensive points - 40 - TOTAL - 85

FMJ - Offensive points - 38, Defensive points - 48; TOTAL - 86

Pea- Offensive points - 35, Defensive points - 50; Total - 85

Just an illustrative example


I understand that many people will disagree that offense and defense should be equally weighted.

Well people also have to realize that the most skilled doesn't mean the best fighter in head to head matchups.

Whitaker's extra 2 points in defense might well allow him to roll up a W against lil Floyd, even with less offensive skills.

RJJ's low defensive rating could be overcome for sure against a more balanced fighter, because he was so fast.

[Danny Gunz]

definetly hopkins, pernell, sugar ray (not my lifetime though) and rjj

[QUISQUEYA]

Well people also have to realize that the most skilled doesn't mean the best fighter in head to head matchups.

Whitaker's extra 2 points in defense might well allow him to roll up a W against lil Floyd, even with less offensive skills.

RJJ's low defensive rating could be overcome for sure against a more balanced fighter, because he was so fast.

Oh, I agree. For example, you may say that Chavez gets 75 points Total (40 for offense, 35 or less for defense). But he is a superlock short-list ATG and one of the best at 135-140 ever.

[Fox McCloud]

Oh, I agree. For example, you may say that Chavez gets 75 points Total (40 for offense, 35 or less for defense). But he is a superlock short-list ATG and one of the best at 135-140 ever.

I'd give Chavez pretty close to a 50 for offense... that man could mix his shots up like no one I've ever seen. He knew which part of your body you were going to block and then threw to the other part...

But his defense was pretty ass terrible.

So 48O + 27D = 75 total.

That certainly would beat a 40O + 40D = 80, because his chin would be enough to keep him in the fight, and he would be landing more and harder.

[Kevin Jesus]

It's hard to say that FMJ is the best boxer, skill-wise, when you have so many people disagreeing with basically no real reason or explanation. You just have to leave it at that, posters are forever gonna bring in the "He ducked Cotto he's ***** lolololol!!!!!!1111" and all that BS. FMJ is the best all around boxer I have ever seen.