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  • Dynamite Kid
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    #141
    Originally posted by Ishy Aytan
    Him and Floyd for me.

    How do you think Ray Leonard does with Whittaker at 147?
    Ive never really thought about that much before TBH.

    I think Leonard's extra physical strength and power/speed combined might be too much for Whitaker. I feel Leonard's height would be a big factor to, he was a 5ft 10 W with a 74 inch reach. Whitaker was 5′ 6 and had a
    69 inch reach.

    I see Whitaker getting caught on the tail end of Leonard's right hands. Like Pendleton was able to catch him. I believe to beat Whitaker you have physically overmatch him with somebody who can Box. Vasquez was a bigger man but he cant Box like Leonard.

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    • Ishy Aytan
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      #142
      Originally posted by Dynamite Kid
      Ive never really thought about that much before TBH.

      I think Leonard's extra physical strength and power/speed combined might be too much for Whitaker. I feel Leonard's height would be a big factor to, he was a 5ft 10 W with a 74 inch reach. Whitaker was 5′ 6 and had a
      69 inch reach.

      I see Whitaker getting caught on the tail end of Leonard's right hands. Like Pendleton was able to catch him. I believe to beat Whitaker you have physically overmatch him with somebody who can Box. Vasquez was a bigger man but he cant Box like Leonard.

      I see where your coming from, Whittaker has'nt got the power to deal with Ray Leonard.

      How do you think a prime Whittaker at welter, like the one that fought Chavez at 147, does against the Trinidad he faced?

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        #143
        sugar ray leonard..

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          #144
          Originally posted by Man In Black
          The Judah uppercut, 1:52. Beautiful punch.



          .

          Isn't that the uppercut that got Cotto's attention in Round 1?

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            #145
            Originally posted by nikekicks
            juan manuel marquez
            What does Juan Manuel Marquez do better than Floyd in a boxing ring?

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            • Dynamite Kid
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              #146
              Originally posted by Ishy Aytan
              I see where your coming from, Whittaker has'nt got the power to deal with Ray Leonard.

              How do you think a prime Whittaker at welter, like the one that fought Chavez at 147, does against the Trinidad he faced?
              Im not sure TBH.

              Id probably have go for Whitaker's skill over Trinidad's power,although the fight could go either way because Trinidad was that formidable at WW. He could also intimidate you with his power and he became relentless when he got into his rhythm. His height and power are HUGE factors in a fight with Whitaker.

              Last time Whitaker tried to stay in the pocket against Trinidad he got hurt. He was past his best, but Trinidad also gets credit for throwing the uppercut when he tried to slide underneath him etc. Trinidad showed some adaptability right there.

              Pick em fight for me. Slightly favoring Whitaker.

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                #147
                Originally posted by Walt Liquor
                I wish they would fire Lennox and bring Roy back. He was my favorite former boxer color guy

                The problem is that Roy wasn't a team player. Roy is so astute and recognizes things so quickly, that he didn't want to put in the extra work with the team.

                The HBO team typically arrives at the boxing city on Wednesday. That allows them to talk to trainers, have fighter meetings and attend production meetins. And then the weigh-in is on Friday. Roy wanted to arrive on Friday night or saturday morning. Seriously.

                Ross and Mark tried to compromise and said "OK, we'll let you arrive on Thursday". Roy wasn't having that. They couldn't work out a deal.

                Roy hates to leave the farm.

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                  #148
                  Originally posted by Ishy Aytan
                  I see where your coming from, Whittaker has'nt got the power to deal with Ray Leonard.How do you think a prime Whittaker at welter, like the one that fought Chavez at 147, does against the Trinidad he faced?
                  People said the same thing about Chavez, though. They thought JCC would be able to bully Pea.

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                    #149
                    overall, no boxer i have ever seen has been more skillful than floyd, period. he is the most skilled fighter overall i have ever seen, bar none.

                    roy jones and sugar ray had flash and were very dynamic. floyd has them beat in defense and technical ability, i mean, i've always said, put floyd in the ring with either of these two if they were the same weight, and just going off of skill, floyd beats them both and makes them look bad.

                    people need to watch mayweather against fighters like jukko and tony pep to realy appreciate his arsenal, offensively and defensively, because i haven't seen a fighter as smooth and elusive as floyd was, fighting off of the ropes, COUNTERING OFF OF THE BLOCK, shoulder rolling punches in the pockets, and countering off of people's misses. i mean, floyd's upperbody movement was very sound. he could block a punch with his shoulder, and immediately afterwards, duck a punch, he knew when and how and where to posisiton his body to avoid getting hit, it's scary to see that in a fighter at his age when he was 19, 20, and 21. george forman said it best-mayweather is the best natural fighter around-he does it so easy--it's hard to train someone like that--you don't know what to tell them. that was when floyd fought justing jukko and hernandez. larry merchant said after the gatti fight--floyd fights as naturally as a fish swims--and he did. his skillset is a combination of whitaker, jones jr, srl, some srr, his father, roger, jeff, i've seen some floyd patterson in floyd jr, i've seen some pep in him, and to add to all of this, his knowledge puts him on a whole new level. it's amazing. i've watched floyd throughout amateurs and the olympics, and watched his movement--foot movement--his ability to llok smooth and rarely sloopy no matter what he's doing--throwing a punch, blocking or slipping a punch, rolling a punch, throwing a counter off hid block or slip, throwing punches between his opponent's combinations, while laying on the ropes, being aggressive, fighting in the pocket, it really doesn't matter. floyd mayweather jr is the most complex and technically sound fight with fluidity i've ever seen. his fight with gatti just proved that, his ability to time punches and counter just in time to position his body to land something else is just master boxing and respect and dedication and passion of his craft and the fine art of boxing. floyd is the best boxer i have ever seen. he's that good.

                    his patience also is a testament to his skillset, he didn't have the fastest hands ever, but his accuracy was something to behold. he threw beautiful punches also, he was a showman. it's like he thrived off looking perfect in the ring. just watch his fight with TONY PEP AND YOU WILL SEE ALL OF THIS...TRUST ME. his fight with coralles, castillo, he showed grit and heart, with an immense skillset.

                    floyd has the ability to throw punches in a slapping motion, like he did with gatti and corley, round 1 and 6 in the gatti fight. round 8 in the corley fight. i mean, in a sport that is primarily closed fisted, it's amazing to see a fighter make a slapping punch so effective, and he has had that ability. and he made the punches look so pretty boy. i tell you--this ****ing kid is the truth in the skill department, call me what you want, call it what you will, i'll call like i see it, and if nobody else knows mayweather, you should know i do. i have had a style very similar to floyd's. i never lost in the ring, because i did things that were innovative, floyd was no different. he was a matser student, and then he became a master teacher, because he schooled everybody he fought, judah too---floyd landed a crisp body shot counter righter after ducking a combo of flurries by judah in round 4 i believe. i mean judah's skillset is something else also, but floyd stands out over him, because of his knowledge and versatility. i've already mentioned all of the traits from top to bottom, so bring the noise bitches.

                    floyd is the truth, deal with it.

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                    • Dynamite Kid
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                      #150
                      Originally posted by QUISQUEYA
                      People said the same thing about Chavez, though. They thought JCC would be able to bully Pea.
                      Chavez does not have the speed or Boxing skills,footwork,reflexes of Leonard.

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