Does Cotto have the potential to be an ATG?

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  • El Dominicano
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    #61
    Originally posted by Ch@mpBox@PR
    He have the potential, but it will be hard for him to do it.

    He will have to clear the WW division completley. And when I say, that is beating Mosley again, beting Margarito x2 and 2 more contenders.

    Or, beat Mosley,Clottey Margarito amd win titles at 154 and 160.

    But i doubt it. He will be a HOfer for sure, but it will be hard for him to get to any ATG status, do to his size disadvantage.

    But he difinetly have the skills to do it!!!!!!!
    Lord help you

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    • Ringlory
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      #62
      Originally posted by Pullcounter
      ATG is when boxers do legendary stuff.

      like move up and fight successfuly from 106 to 147 or winning titles in 5 different weight classes with an undefeated record or defending your title for 20+ defenses against the best the division has to offer, or being a former MW who captures a HW belt.

      what has cotto done that can be categorized as legendary?
      Please Pacquiao has fought better fighters. there's no Casamayor there, theres no Kosta Tyzu. everytime a big challenger was present Mayweather went up in weight. You have to beat the best fighters. cotto showed what he could do against a mosley a fighter that is better than all those fighters mayweather has fought. Anyone can stay undefeated if he refuses the tougher competition. Plus he lost to castillo if they would have given Castillo the decision they would had fought for a third time. It it weren't for guys like Pavlik,Trinidad, mosley, Pacquiao, Delahoya who have moved up to face the best boxing would be dead.

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      • El Dominicano
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        #63
        Originally posted by savorduhflavor
        Genaro Hernandez
        Emanuael Augustus
        Diego Corrales
        Carlos Hernandez
        Jesus Chavez
        Jose Luis Castillo x2

        9 Defenses of the WBC SFW Title. A top 3 SFW of all time. Floyd started his career at 130 and has gone all the way up to 154, how can you even compare. Cotto is bigger than Floyd, Floyd may be a little taller but Cotto is the larger man.

        There is seriously no argument for what you're trying to say.
        Is Hatton that bad? You can atleast throw Hatton but well said though

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        • Pullcounter
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          #64
          Originally posted by jeg77
          so that makes mayweather an atg?
          undefeated and won titles in 5 different division

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          • savorduhflavor
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            #65
            Originally posted by El Dominicano
            Is Hatton that bad? You can atleast throw Hatton but well said though
            Yea but my point was what he did at lower weights. I was saying everything from 140 above was extra basically.

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            • Ido
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              #66
              I am not sure what the requirements are to be a future Hall of Famer. What I do know, it is within his size and weight to challenge and set victories over quality fighters. The problem is, he is not the total package yet.

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              • El Dominicano
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                #67
                Originally posted by RL_GMA
                It's all opinionated just like the P4P list. There's Boxing writers who call Hearns an ATG, but he didn't really beat or dominate everyone he fought more than just fighting the big names and being a really great fighter. In the same notion I can call De La Hoya an ATG though he lost a good number of his big fights.

                The way I see it, when we're in our 60s and guys like Cotto, Floyd, Oscar, etc are mentioned, I highly doubt anyone is going to say "nah, he's not an all time great because he didn't do this or do that". Every fighter is always going to have something someone will nitpick at, but at the end of the day they'll be remembered as great fighters. I think that's all you can ask for.
                Wilfred Benitez
                Virgil Hill
                SRL 2nd fight (We all know he won that)
                Roberto Duran
                Pipino Cuevas

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                • Pullcounter
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                  #68
                  Originally posted by Ringlory
                  Please Pacquiao has fought better fighters. there's no Casamayor there,
                  i dunno why a fight w/ casamayor didn't happen, that was before my time

                  theres no Kosta Tyzu.
                  when could floyd have fought tszyu? he was semi-retired and when he returned sharmba was his mando and immediately after that hatton already signed to fight him. so when could this fight have come off?

                  everytime a big challenger was present Mayweather went up in weight.
                  who are these challenges?

                  You have to beat the best fighters.
                  how when they aren't willing to fight?

                  cotto showed what he could do against a mosley a fighter that is better than all those fighters mayweather has fought.
                  that was a close fight fhat mosley would've won in vegas.

                  mosley had his chance to fight floyd, but he said he had a toothache.

                  Anyone can stay undefeated if he refuses the tougher competition.
                  or if tougher competitoin refuses to fight them

                  Plus he lost to castillo if they would have given Castillo the decision they would had fought for a third time.
                  the first fight was close but floyd outclassed him in the rematch. i dunno why people even bring these fights up.

                  It it weren't for guys like Pavlik,Trinidad, mosley, Pacquiao, Delahoya who have moved up to face the best boxing would be dead.
                  floyd fought dlh. mosley didn't want to fight floyd and said he had a toothache. if floyd comes back he'll fight pac and hopefully mosley.

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                  • Fighting Champ
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                    #69
                    Where are all those fighters in the list that Mayweather fought? Are they all retired?

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                    • savorduhflavor
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                      #70
                      Originally posted by El Dominicano
                      Lord help you
                      Nah he's right. He didn't word it right, but I know what he means.

                      Cotto has the type of body that makes it difficult to go up weight classes. Taller skinnier fighters have more success doing that like Floyd, DLH, Hearns, PWill, SRL etc...

                      If Cotto went up to Middleweight he would just soooooooooooooo small. He'll never be more than a 3 division champ cause his compact body makes it hard for him to go to low, but his height and reach disadvantage will make it very difficult for him to be successful at the higher weights.

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