James Toney is overrated, Calzaghe would have schooled him

[Ben_London.]

When all the competition is in the States, why would you fight somewhere else?

Boxers are not necessarily superior just because they are from the USA.

Dariusz M beat Montell Griffen and Drake Thadzi - Toney lost twice to Griffin and once to Thadzi.

How many world titles does the US have at the moment?

[Benny Leonard]

USA IS a country.

Toney has never fought in a HOSTILE ENVIRONMENT.

At the end of the day, the crowd means nothing. I never understood how anyone could cave to the crowd. A Pro handles what is inside the ring.

You can still be an American and have to deal with "hostile" environments inside the USA.

What did Joe really have to go through?
Was it greater than what Jack Johnson had to go through when Johnson fought in the USA?

[Ben_London.]

What did Joe really have to go through?
Was it greater than what Jack Johnson had to go through when Johnson fought in the USA?

We're talking about James Toney, not Johnson.

[Benny Leonard]

Boxers are not necessarily superior just because they are from the USA.
Dariusz M beat Montell Griffen and Drake Thadzi - Toney lost twice to Griffin and once to Thadzi.

How many world titles does the US have at the moment?

This is true, however; overall the USA has been pretty dominant in the past century.

LH: Chad Dawson

MW: Pavlik

154: Forrest {WBC}; not sure about Williams

147: Shane Mosley...as well as Berto {WBC}

140: Bradley {WBC}; Holt {WBO}

Featherweight: Steven Luevano {WBO}

[Benny Leonard]

We're talking about James Toney, not Johnson.

Still stands: How do you know Toney wasn't in hostile environment in any of his fights?

Johnson was to show you that you can be an "American," fight in "America," and still be in a hostile environment.

And which fights was Joe in that was hostile? Not because of a different country, but serious life-threatening stuff where it may hurt your performance?

[AztecWanker]

Boxers are not necessarily superior just because they are from the USA.

Dariusz M beat Montell Griffen and Drake Thadzi - Toney lost twice to Griffin and once to Thadzi.

How many world titles does the US have at the moment?

It doesn't matter how many titles the US have at the moment. When James was in his prime, he was fighting Michael Nunn, Mike McCallum and Roy ****in Jones. Who was Joe fighting that made him so great in his prime? Chris Eubank's corpse?

[roujinziro]

Toney in his prime would have schooled Calzaghe. He's definitely old and past his prime, but the man would have been too slick for Calzaghe.

[Ben_London.]

It doesn't matter how many titles the US have at the moment. When James was in his prime, he was fighting Michael Nunn, Mike McCallum and Roy ****in Jones. Who was Joe fighting that made him so great in his prime? Chris Eubank's corpse?

Why wouldn't Toney leave the comfort and protection of his home country, even once? All his fights were in the US.

He should have fought Eubank, Benn, and others, but he was afraid to leave his home judges (like in the Tiberi fight).

[Fiday]

toney is one of my favourite fighters but against Joe Calzaghe it would be 50/50. Joe Calzaghe would be to active for toney just like jirov was and toney almost lost that fight.

And Joe had Enzo in his corner who is one of the best trainers in the world, he even said Joe could move up to HW and beat the klitschko sisters. I agree with him

[Sick/]

Very good thread Ironfist. agree with you too