James Toney is overrated, Calzaghe would have schooled him

[Ben_London.]

calzaghe is the overated one my friend

Calzaghe has never lost.

The objective is to win like Calzaghe always did, rather than to lose, like Toney has so many times!

Even Sam Peter clearly outboxed Toney in the second fight.

[Stab Judah]

Kimbo Slice is undefeated in his own back yard with two wins outside of it also.

[Benny Leonard]

James Toney is the most overrated fighter of the past 20 years.

- He has two losses to Sam Peter, who has shown us his limitations in later fights. He lost to people like Drake Thadzi who is not a world-beater, and twice to Montel Griffin...

- Toney should have more losses on his record: he was recently given a gift against Fres Oquendo, and then there was the fight with Danny Batchelder, where he received more underserved rounds from the judges. Dave Tiberi was robbed in his fight with Toney, even James himself now admits he should have lost that one.

- James has twice been caught cheating with steroids, after the Ruiz fight and after his Batchelder bout.

James Toney was schooled by Roy Jones, and losing to Roy isn't so bad. But when we consider how easily a past prime version of Joe Calzaghe defeated a slightly more past prime version of Jones, it seems obvious to me that a prime Joe Calzaghe would have schooled a prime James Toney!

Do you really believe your own words or do you like to start up people?

[boxasmash]

without a doubt calzaghe wins.

[DarchinyFAN]

I type slow, so by the time I get this posted all my points already will have been made by others...... Here goes anyway.

1. Peter, Batchelder, Ruiz, and Oquendo all took place at HW and at an age older than Calzaghe was when he retired.

2. You bring up Montell Griffin like it was some sort of shameful ****.... That version of Montell Griffen was better than most of the opponents Calzaghe beat in his career.

3. To even compare the version of Jones Calzaghe fought with the version Toney fought is just silly. Even if you allow for Calzaghe supposedly being past his prime (self serving justification if you ask me) Jones was so far past it its not even funny. Even the guys on FNF were making fun of Jones for acting like he was still a big deal against Shieka.

[Ben_London.]

Kimbo Slice is undefeated in his own back yard with two wins outside of it also.

Yes, another good point. Toney was afraid to leave the US, he had home advantage FOR EVERY FIGHT IN HIS ENTIRE CAREER!

[Benny Leonard]

Calzaghe has never lost.

The objective is to win like Calzaghe always did, rather than to lose, like Toney has so many times!

Even Sam Peter clearly outboxed Toney in the second fight.

"Show me a fighter whose undefeated and I'll show you a fighter who hasn't fought anybody." --Whitey Bimstein, legendary boxing trainer.

http://coxscorner.tripod.com/rocky.html

[Spray_resistant]

I type slow, so by the time I get this posted all my points already will have been made by others...... Here goes anyway.

1. Peter, Batchelder, Ruiz, and Oquendo all took place at HW and at an age older than Calzaghe was when he retired.

2. You bring up Montell Griffin like it was some sort of shameful ****.... That version of Montell Griffen was better than most of the opponents Calzaghe beat in his career.

3. To even compare the version of Jones Calzaghe fought with the version Toney fought is just silly. Even if you allow for Calzaghe supposedly being past his prime (self serving justification if you ask me) Jones was so far past it its not even funny. Even the guys on FNF were making fun of Jones for acting like he was still a big deal against Shieka.

Both of those fights were close if anything Toney won the 2nd fight.

[Ben_London.]

"Show me a fighter whose undefeated and I'll show you a fighter who hasn't fought anybody." --Whitey Bimstein, legendary boxing trainer.

http://coxscorner.tripod.com/rocky.html

But it doesn't mean it's better to LOSE than to WIN. That's not what he meant...

Toney has all those losses and gift decisions.

And Joe Calzaghe never needed steroids to enhance his performances!

[mathed]

calzaghe is the overated one my friend

Ask Roy and Bernard and Kessler and Lacy how overrated he is!!