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  • BoriKua305
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    #41
    Originally posted by Horus
    Dude JMM is not a tune up for nobody. Floyd is a small welterweight and a natural Junior welterweight.

    If you really think Juan Manuel Marquez is a just a sparring partner and a tune up for Floyd then you must believe with out a doubt Floyd is the greatest fighter of this era just like I do, but Only I show more respect to JMM.

    JMM is probably the 2nd smartest fighter in boxing behind Hopkins Until floyd returns..then he will be 3rd. But to sugest he is a tune for floyd because he isnt big enough compared to Welterweights like some people suggest is foolish.

    JMM vs. Floyd is a PPV fight and should be viewed as such.

    The only person who should be considered greater then JMM from 147 on down is Mosely, and Pacquaio. Period!!

    Cotto is not a complete fight like JMM and he is not half as smart.
    Hatton is not a complete fight like JMM and he is not half as smart
    Clottey is not a complete fight like JMM and he is not half as smart
    Campbell is not a complete fight like JMM and he is not half as smart


    Please show JMM some respect and stop calling him a tune up.
    because if he is a tune up so is cotto, berto,etc, except mosely imo

    because skills pays the bills in boxing.
    AND jmm SKILLS is why he is p4p#2 in boxing
    I think your crazy you say in your opinion cotto is tune up if marquez is one except mosley but cotto beat mosley and I think he has a better chance of beating mayweather than mosley does. Also I dont believe your theory that cotto is not a complete fighter and that marquez is the second smartest boxer behind hopkins whateva you smoking pass that **** ova here. Third but not least mayweather is already used to fighting bigger guys is bigger than marquez faster than marquez better defense than marquez and doesnt get hit alot unlike marquez. Floyd wins this one WIDEEEEEEEEe. its going to look like what it is called a Tune up

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    • Horus
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      #42
      Originally posted by mellow_mood
      of course you are gonna agree with him!!!

      u want to glorify floyd for everything .. and this is not an exepction...


      if this is a tune up for bigger things AND YES A TUNE UP!! it will be good for boxing.... if not.. well u know the rest.


      come on... u are # floyd cheerleader!! and now u are gonna come here and say that marquez have any opportunity against him???

      thats bull****!!!


      marquez chances of beating floyd are 0 to none!!!!!!!!
      You make no sense. You make no sense at all..

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        #43
        Originally posted by Horus
        You make no sense. You make no sense at all..
        actually i understood everything he wrote there

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        • Horus
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          #44
          Originally posted by BoriKua305
          I think you’re crazy you say in your opinion cotto is tune up if Marquez is one except Mosley but cotto beat Mosley and I think he has a better chance of beating mayweather than Mosley does. Also I don’t believe your theory that cotto is not a complete fighter and that Marquez is the second smartest boxer behind Hopkins whatever you smoking pass that **** ova here. Third but not least mayweather is already used to fighting bigger guys is bigger than Marquez faster than Marquez better defense than Marquez and doesn’t get hit allot unlike Marquez. Floyd wins this one WIDEEEEEEEEe. its going to look like what it is called a Tune up
          Ok Let's Compare Miguel Cotto To Juan Manuel Marquez

          Miguel Cotto
          1. Swings wide
          2. Waste Punches
          3. has a weak chin
          4. Can’t stop straight right hands or uppercuts,
          5. Under progressing in the lateral movement department.
          6. Get's hit too easy



          He gets hit too much and swings too wide. and at this level you cannot let top notch athletes hit an average on 20-35 times a round and expect to last long, When you got fighters who have the power to hurt you and knock you out.Margarito prove that.

          For me what makes a fighter a great boxer is not just going in their just slugging it out in a 'see who falls first' scenario.
          It is seeing some real skill and artistry in the ring.


          JMM
          Is probably the smartest Mexican boxer since Oscar and I believe he is smarter than a prime Oscar. The guy gets my full respect for some of the things he does in the ring.

          Marquez does two things extremely well.

          1. Fights in rhythm

          Only a few fighters in boxing know how to fight in rhythm. Floyd, Roy, Calzaghe, and JMM. Are some that do it the best.

          What do I mean by fighting in Rhythm?

          There are usually two different overall rhythmic forms, what I call the set-up rhythm.
          • preparing to punch or waiting to counterpunch, depending on the style of the boxer


          The rhythm of offensive motion and the rhythm of defensive motion.

          However JMM like many great boxers varies these rhythms in subtle ways that are difficult for opponents to time, and he can seamlessly flow from one rhythmic form to the next without any break in the forms. Usually the opponent is not even aware that the transition has occurred until it is too late.

          This is the main reason why JMM usually knocks his opponents out late.
          Because they are not usually aware of when changing his rhythm and takes apart your offense and defense.

          The guy is very smart. This is why Pacquaio had sooo much trouble with him,
          And would have so much trouble with Floyd.


          2. Accuracy


          Offensively JMM," places his shots," he is not just wasting energy throwing punches. Even when he is in these defensive stances he is looking for well placed shots in the middle of the other boxer's flurries Notice that his eyes are wide open and they are seeing everything that is happening.
          With many other top fighters this is not the case.

          Nothing can replace technical skill in boxing nothing.

          And JMM has allot of technical skill.


          This is why JMM is p4p #2 in the sport and Cotto is not even in the top 10.!!!



          Last edited by Horus; 03-24-2009, 01:28 PM.

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          • Horus
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            #45
            Skill Wise JMM is over Cotto period.



            And in boxing only two things are going to win you a fight.
            1.Skill
            2.Luck

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              #46
              I love how the claim to floyd's greatness is that he's 5 division champ. And yet if Pacquiao beats Hatton it makes him 6 division champ and therefore > than Mayweather.

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                #47
                Originally posted by shadeyfizzle
                I love how the claim to floyd's greatness is that he's 5 division champ. And yet if Pacquiao beats Hatton it makes him 6 division champ and therefore > than Mayweather.
                Are you ******????

                Floyd greatness is that he became a 5 division champion in 8 years and remain undefeated doing it.

                He did it faster than anybody and better than anybody...!!
                he is undefeated.

                Mayweather >> History of boxing when going up in weight

                he beat the logic in boxing plain and simple

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                  #48
                  Originally posted by Horus
                  Are you ******????

                  Floyd greatness is that he became a 5 division champion in 8 years and remain undefeated doing it.

                  He did it faster than anybody and better than anybody...!!
                  he is undefeated.

                  Mayweather >> History of boxing when going up in weight

                  he beat the logic in boxing plain and simple
                  No sir. He did not beat logic or odds or whatever mystifying adjective you wanna use.

                  He succeeded using the same carefully planned logic u say he defied. I will acknowledge his greatness at 130 and 135. Anything he's done beyond that is a sham. Carefully picking belts and fighters he knew without a shadow of a doubt he could beat without breaking a sweat. All while carefully avoiding fighters that posed anything close to resembling a legitimate threat.

                  Pacquiao beating Hatton at 140!!!(emphasis on proper weight division) would make Pacquiao the 1st 4 division lineal champ in boxing history. and only the 2nd fighter in boxing history to have belts in 6 weight division.

                  You can sit here and talk about Mayweather's undefeated record and talent all you want...you and i both know when it comes to boxing history it doesnt amount to much. Rocky Marciano was a tremendous fighter who retired undefeated. Arguably the greatest heavyweight of all time...but he isnt ranked so. Why??? Because his competition for the bulk of his career was mediocre at best. He wasnt able to prove his greatness against a truly worthy opponent. Same goes for Mayweather.

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                  • Horus
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                    #49
                    Originally posted by shadeyfizzle
                    No sir. He did not beat logic or odds or whatever mystifying adjective you wanna use.

                    He succeeded using the same carefully planned logic u say he defied. I will acknowledge his greatness at 130 and 135. Anything he's done beyond that is a sham. Carefully picking belts and fighters he knew without a shadow of a doubt he could beat without breaking a sweat. All while carefully avoiding fighters that posed anything close to resembling a legitimate threat.

                    Pacquiao beating Hatton at 140!!!(emphasis on proper weight division) would make Pacquiao the 1st 4 division lineal champ in boxing history. and only the 2nd fighter in boxing history to have belts in 6 weight division.

                    You can sit here and talk about Mayweather's undefeated record and talent all you want...you and i both know when it comes to boxing history it doesnt amount to much. Rocky Marciano was a tremendous fighter who retired undefeated. Arguably the greatest heavyweight of all time...but he isnt ranked so. Why??? Because his competition for the bulk of his career was mediocre at best. He wasnt able to prove his greatness against a truly worthy opponent. Same goes for Mayweather.
                    You are very confused. Look at this objectively if you can.



                    In 39 fights Floyd has done what hardly anybody has ever done...

                    Floyd Mayweather:
                    Career Span ( 11 Years: In which 10 Years He was a champion)
                    • Undisputed Champion in 3 Divisions (The Ring Belt)
                    • 5 Division Champion
                    • Superfeather weight Ring Champion (Fact) (The Ring Belt)
                    • Lightweight Ring Champion (Fact) (The Ring Belt)
                    • Welterweight Ring Champion (Fact) (The Ring Belt)
                    • Fighter of the year 3 years out of 11 year Career
                    • Held the p4p #1 title from 2005- 2008 (retired June 6, 2008)

                    1. Professional: 39 fights; 39+ (25 KO)
                    2. 31 Fights at 140 and under
                    3. 8 fights at 154 and under
                    4. Champion for 10 years <-- Pac dont have
                    5. Champions Fought:13
                    6. Champions Fought in their prime:8 <-- Pac dont have
                    7. 1998-2002: W.B.C. Juniorlightweight (8 title defenses) <-- Pac dont have
                    8. 2002-2003: W.B.C. Lightweight ( 3 title defense)<-- Pac dont have
                    9. 2005: W.B.C. Juniorwelterweight
                    10. 2006: I.B.F. Welterweight
                    11. 2006-2008: W.B.C. Welterweight
                    12. 2007: W.B.C. Juniormiddleweights
                    13. Ring Fighter of the Year: 2 times 1998 and 2007
                    14. WBC Fighter of the year 3 times : 1998,2001,2007
                    15. World Boxing Hall of Fame’s Fighter of the Year: 2002
                    16. USA Today Fighter of the Year: 2007
                    17. Boxing Writers Association of America Fighter of the Year:2007
                    18. ESPN fighter of the year:2007
                    19. ******* Fighter Of The Year: 2007
                    20. Undefeated <-- Pac dont have


                    People Say All Mayweather has Never been in any Wars with a Prime P4P Opponent:

                    But I Guess that they never seen him fight Jesus Chavez 35-1.in 2001.

                    People Say Mayweather has never fought Somebody who would have to make him fight
                    But I Guess that they never seen him fight Jose Luis Castillo 2002.

                    Jesus Chavez 35-1 (TOP 5 in the division)
                    Carlos Hernandez 33-2 (TOP 5 in the division)
                    Justin Juuko 33-2 (TOP 5 in the division)
                    Angel Manfredy 25-2 (TOP 5 in the division)
                    Carlos Gerena 34-2 (TOP 5 in the division)
                    Diego Corrales 33-0 (CHAMPION IN THE DIVISION) Top 5 p4p
                    Genaro Hernandez 38-1(CHAMPION IN THE DIVISION)
                    Jose Luis Castillo (CHAMPION IN THE DIVISION)



                    I have one question?
                    Since 2006 to the Present
                    Who is the RING magazine Ring Champion of the
                    Welter Weight Division?

                    Meaning Who id The current or last undisputed King of the WelterWeight Division?

                    The answer is..................(DRUMROLL)

                    Vacant.!!


                    There is no recognize champion at the Welterweight division.
                    The Last Universally Recognize champion with the RING BELT.

                    Floyd Mayweather...

                    The Ring's titles are all you need to pay attention to. I'm a firm believer that their champions are the only true champions


                    You can make up your own truth, but you cant make up your own facts..

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                      #50
                      Originally posted by Horus
                      You are very confused. Look at this objectively if you can.



                      In 39 fights Floyd has done what hardly anybody has ever done...

                      Floyd Mayweather:
                      Career Span ( 11 Years: In which 10 Years He was a champion)
                      • Undisputed Champion in 3 Divisions (The Ring Belt)
                      • 5 Division Champion
                      • Superfeather weight Ring Champion (Fact) (The Ring Belt)
                      • Lightweight Ring Champion (Fact) (The Ring Belt)
                      • Welterweight Ring Champion (Fact) (The Ring Belt)
                      • Fighter of the year 3 years out of 11 year Career
                      • Held the p4p #1 title from 2005- 2008 (retired June 6, 2008)

                      1. Professional: 39 fights; 39+ (25 KO)
                      2. 31 Fights at 140 and under
                      3. 8 fights at 154 and under
                      4. Champion for 10 years <-- Pac dont have
                      5. Champions Fought:13
                      6. Champions Fought in their prime:8 <-- Pac dont have
                      7. 1998-2002: W.B.C. Juniorlightweight (8 title defenses) <-- Pac dont have
                      8. 2002-2003: W.B.C. Lightweight ( 3 title defense)<-- Pac dont have
                      9. 2005: W.B.C. Juniorwelterweight
                      10. 2006: I.B.F. Welterweight
                      11. 2006-2008: W.B.C. Welterweight
                      12. 2007: W.B.C. Juniormiddleweights
                      13. Ring Fighter of the Year: 2 times 1998 and 2007
                      14. WBC Fighter of the year 3 times : 1998,2001,2007
                      15. World Boxing Hall of Fame’s Fighter of the Year: 2002
                      16. USA Today Fighter of the Year: 2007
                      17. Boxing Writers Association of America Fighter of the Year:2007
                      18. ESPN fighter of the year:2007
                      19. ******* Fighter Of The Year: 2007
                      20. Undefeated <-- Pac dont have


                      People Say All Mayweather has Never been in any Wars with a Prime P4P Opponent:

                      But I Guess that they never seen him fight Jesus Chavez 35-1.in 2001.

                      People Say Mayweather has never fought Somebody who would have to make him fight
                      But I Guess that they never seen him fight Jose Luis Castillo 2002.

                      Jesus Chavez 35-1 (TOP 5 in the division)
                      Carlos Hernandez 33-2 (TOP 5 in the division)
                      Justin Juuko 33-2 (TOP 5 in the division)
                      Angel Manfredy 25-2 (TOP 5 in the division)
                      Carlos Gerena 34-2 (TOP 5 in the division)
                      Diego Corrales 33-0 (CHAMPION IN THE DIVISION) Top 5 p4p
                      Genaro Hernandez 38-1(CHAMPION IN THE DIVISION)
                      Jose Luis Castillo (CHAMPION IN THE DIVISION)



                      I have one question?
                      Since 2006 to the Present
                      Who is the RING magazine Ring Champion of the
                      Welter Weight Division?

                      Meaning Who id The current or last undisputed King of the WelterWeight Division?

                      The answer is..................(DRUMROLL)

                      Vacant.!!


                      There is no recognize champion at the Welterweight division.
                      The Last Universally Recognize champion with the RING BELT.

                      Floyd Mayweather...

                      The Ring's titles are all you need to pay attention to. I'm a firm believer that their champions are the only true champions


                      You can make up your own truth, but you cant make up your own facts..
                      You just supported every claim i have with facts. What are you arguing with me about??? Lol. I just said I acknowledge Mayweather's greatness at 130-135. Beyond that what do you have?? He was not lineal champ at 140. It was kostya tszyu. He did not even fight anyone i would consider above the level of prospect at 140. Mayweather then spent 3 years at welterweight. During which the only welterweight he
                      fought was Baldomir....who by logic....and a lucky win due to judah's history of mental breakdowns....was the ring champ. He did not fight Cotto, Margarito, or any other welterweight at the time. He fought anyone but an actual welterweight.....that's not much of a claim at a welterweight title run.

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