Barrera: "They Should Have Stopped it in The First"

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  • Dave Rado
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    #61
    Originally posted by d_boy
    I totally agree with Barrera. If the headbutt wouldn't of happened then it would have been a different story. I can't believe the media is claiming a huge victory of Khan over Barrera. Khan really didn't do **** to Barrera but a bunch of "pitty patta" punches. He didn't even hurt Barrera. I don't see Khan going too far in his division against a top fighter. He's way overrated and too much of a superstar in the UK. If thats as best that they get over there than he WILL get blown out here in the U.S...... bet that!
    It was an accidental clash of heads, only a whiner could call it a headbutt.

    If it hadn't been for the cut, it would have been a wide UD for Khan.

    Khan's punches aren't pitty pat - they aren't power punches but they are solid, properly thrown punches. He was moving too much to sit down on his punches, that's why Barrera wasn't really hurt. But Barrera would have walked through them if they were pitty pat, but he couldn't.

    Some may over-rate Khan but you seriously under-rate him. He was appallingly trained before he teamed up with Roach, and was never taught the fundamentals. He showed good fundamentals against Barrera. He is still a long way from the finished product, but he has the talent to go all the way provided he isn't pushed too fast. He needs around 5 more fights before going in with the likes of Marquez, IMO.
    Last edited by Dave Rado; 03-15-2009, 11:47 AM.

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    • mathed
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      #62
      Originally posted by S a m u r a i
      They are not excuses. Barrera is a warrior, of course he isn't going to quit of his own accord. That doesn't mean he didn't want the fight to be stopped. The cut hindered his vision and affected his performance, so he's right -- it should have been stopped earlier.
      Yet, the only reason the fight continued was the fact that Barrera told the doctor and his corner that he wanted to continue. Of course he did not want to say "I can't continue because of the cut", but pride is a tough pill to swallow.

      On the same token, the refs and his corner did not want to call the fight either because MAB is a legend and he deserves the dignity to fight as long as he can instead of having the fight stopped.

      In my opinion, it was all Barrera's fault....he undertrained and underestimated Khan's ability. When he saw that the fight was a lost cause due to the cut and that he would have to be humiliated by accepting defeat to a "young punk" with a glass chin, Barrera's pride would not let him concede which was the only smart choice for him at that point.

      He had another opportunity in the 4th rd when the ref stopped the action to have the cut re-examined- yet pride kept the fight going.

      Barrera thinking to himself after the fight:
      Barrera's pride before the fight: and now after:
      Last edited by mathed; 03-15-2009, 11:53 AM.

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      • fragilety
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        #63
        I honestly think people are overlooking and jumping on what khan was able to do from the cut on, we will never be able to see what the fight have been like if that had not happend, never got to see what barrera would(possibly) have been able to offer or try with vision, but hey that's boxing and just the way it is

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        • The_Visitation
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          #64
          Originally posted by mathed

          Barrera thinking to himself after the fight:
          Barrera's pride before the fight: and now after:
          I disagree. I think he would rather have lost as he did than quit out of choice to get a NC.

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          • d_boy
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            #65
            I hera ya, brother....but I still believe Barrera could have done more if the blood wasn't blinding him in his eye. I believe it was an unfair stoppage by the docs at the Uk. It should have been stopped in the 1st and called a no contest. But, I guess they didn't want to disappoint the UK fans. HeadButt or accidental clash of heads = same thing.
            IMO I don't see him getting too far in the ranks. But...I could be wrong. He has potential. We will see.

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              #66
              Originally posted by Žich Loc
              I agree, He was at a huge disadvantage for 90% of the fight because of that horrible cut.
              Kahn was too fast for him with or without the cut. This is not the great MAB that beat The Prince. This an old man who cuts easily aka his last fight. The cut was very bad but he still didn't have the tools. Kahn beat a legend but a past it legend. This was always going to happen. The cut didn't change the outcome just gave somthing for MAB fans to hide behind. Shame for Kahn really as this victory would have been given more credit had there have been no cut.

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              • S A M U R A I
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                #67
                Originally posted by jollystomper
                amirs good enough to beat prescott! he jst beat the **** out of barrera!! ffs!
                I'm having a hard time seeing the logic in this comment...



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                • Dave Rado
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                  #68
                  Originally posted by S a m u r a i
                  I'm having a hard time seeing the logic in this comment...
                  I have never seen a logical post from jollystomper, he's a rabid Barrera hater, because of what Barrera did to Hamed. It's very sad seeing an all time great and true warrior like Barrera being disrespected in these forums, but I guess every boxer has some haters. jollystomper is the only Barrera hater who I remember seeing posts from here, though.

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                  • S A M U R A I
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                    #69
                    Originally posted by JaguarJames
                    The supposed quotes from Barrera in this article are actually the translators words not Barreras. The translator makes him sound like a bitter guy when he was simply expressing his legitimate frustration with the way things unfolded

                    Here's a more accurate translation of what he said:

                    What went wrong this evening?

                    "more or less, we came with a plan but all that changed after the headbutt in the first round. I couldn't see- It's strange that they didn't stop it in that moment because it was a deep cut"

                    do you think you would have won despite the headclash?

                    "If I had two eyes, things would have happened differently. From the first round, my eye became bloodied and I lost the ability to see from that side."

                    Were you shocked at the speed of khan?

                    "No, we knew about his speed. In fact, he's a hard puncher- we didn't feel it. The problem is that the desperation of not being able to see set in and I threw myself into the fight."
                    Thanks.

                    One question: "In fact, he's a hard puncher- we didn't feel it."

                    Is that an error in your translation or actually what was said? It doesn't make much sense.

                    Originally posted by mr.crust
                    F.ucking Boo hoo! whiney sore loser ****.I would have expected him to have more grace.He should thank them for stopping the fight otherwise his silly old ass would have ended up in intensive care.
                    Come on man, That's a poor post, especially considering James' post right before yours.



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                    • mathed
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                      #70
                      Originally posted by The_Visitation
                      I disagree. I think he would rather have lost as he did than quit out of choice to get a NC.
                      And yet he still thought the fight should have been stopped in the 1st rd...hmm

                      Sounds like he is having second thoughts to me. If he truly felt that way in the ring, he would have maned up and told the ref that he could not see.

                      You can't have your cake and eat it too, either he did not want the fight to stop or he did- either way you make up your own mind to go on or quit.

                      Don't go back on what you did or said in the ring after the fight.....sounds like an excuse.

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