Bernard Hopkins - Career achievements by age

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You're not alone. Kelly is an extremely overhyped, extremely limited fighter. No disrespect to the Middleweight King, but he's not Hopkins' "greatest victory ever" as the thread starter states.

The Trinidad win, the Tarver schooling, and the Johnson win, were all much more significant IMO.

I still can't believe people picked Kelly to beat Bernard. I hate to pat myself on the back, but goddamn I called that one a mile away. To be fair : A few others here did as well. But for the most part, it was all "Kelly by KO".

I am proud to be one of those who picked Hopkins to school Pavlik. And I am also happy to know I'm not alone in thinking Pavlik is not quite up there with the wins you mentioned. Good performance, and of course it's a good, solid win, but it's along the lines of Calzaghe-Lacy where for the first time everyone sees the loser of the fight for what he is.

No disrespect to Kelly, btw. Seems like a nice enough dude and I wish him well, but he is limited and it was always obvious to me that he would come up short against the elites.



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I am proud to be one of those who picked Hopkins to school Pavlik. And I am also happy to know I'm not alone in thinking Pavlik is not quite up there with the wins you mentioned. Good performance, and of course it's a good, solid win, but it's along the lines of Calzaghe-Lacy where for the first time everyone sees the loser of the fight for what he is.

No disrespect to Kelly, btw. Seems like a nice enough dude and I wish him well, but he is limited and it was always obvious to me that he would come up short against the elites.

Kelly Pavlik's resume already is better than Jeff Lacy's.

Sad but true.

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'Nard vs. Adamek, I got a 70% chance of a Hopkins victory by UD.

Adamek is a good fighter, and he's fun to watch for sure. But Hopkins is a great fighter.

Add on to that, that Adamek doesn't do anything that Hopkins doesn't have a counter for, and the X factor : Hopkins wants that 3rd World Title. It's about legacy for Hopkins, and how well has he done in the past when he felt a fight was for his legacy? (Tito, Oscar, Tarver, Pavlik)

Adamek's only chance is a knockout, and how many times have you seen Bernard hurt? Let alone tagged clean.

Agree with this post, and I'll say it in case this fight ever comes off -- I have Bernard beating Adamek on points. I'm very comfortable in that prediction.



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Kelly Pavlik's resume already is better than Jeff Lacy's.

Sad but true.

And? .....



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I am proud to be one of those who picked Hopkins to school Pavlik. And I am also happy to know I'm not alone in thinking Pavlik is not quite up there with the wins you mentioned. Good performance, and of course it's a good, solid win, but it's along the lines of Calzaghe-Lacy where for the first time everyone sees the loser of the fight for what he is.

No disrespect to Kelly, btw. Seems like a nice enough dude and I wish him well, but he is limited and it was always obvious to me that he would come up short against the elites.

"I am proud to be one of those who picked Hopkins to school Pavlik"

Same here, (it was last minute though).

I bet on Hopkins to win by decision about an hour before the fight, I re-watched Calzaghe-Hopkins, and Pavlik-Taylor 1. I actually could see Hopkins movement giving Pavlik problems.

I could also see Mosley schooling Margarito, but I bet on a decision (****** thinking just a win gave odds of 3/1), DID NOT see a ko happening.

Those are probably the ONLY 2 fights where I saw a heavy underdog absolutly schooling his opponent. Coincidence they happened quite close together.

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And? .....

LOL. Don't be mad, Sam. Just pointing out the only thing Lacy-like about the performance was the one-sidedness. Nothing else. So I'm not sure how it's "along the lines of a Calzaghe-Lacy where everyone sees the loser for what he is." Well...maybe you're right in that like Lacy, Pavlik was overrated before getting beaten as well.

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hopkins is a crybaby who has to find an excuse for everytime he loses

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hopkins is a crybaby who has to find an excuse for everytime he loses

Not true.........

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You have to look how good Johnson was back then compared to Kelly now.

That's exactly what I did. Johnson was a better boxer. How else do you think I came to the conclusion that the Johnson win is better?

You're probably alone.

Pavlik may not be THE best, but he still a world class fighter, and was expected to do what Trinidad and Tarver did NOT do, which was end Hopkins career by KO. Instead he was schooled and made to look like an amatauee.

I'm obviously not alone, and not only that, but some of the most respectable Hopkins fans on here agree with my first post in this thread.

LOL. Don't be mad, Sam. Just pointing out the only thing Lacy-like about the performance was the one-sidedness. Nothing else. So I'm not sure how it's "along the lines of a Calzaghe-Lacy where everyone sees the loser for what he is." Well...maybe you're right in that like Lacy, Pavlik was overrated before getting beaten as well.

It's exactly what I'm saying. Both were being overrated and it took a superior fighter to give them a one-sided beating to show the rest of the world what the deal is.

Not mad, btw, I just didn't understand why you brought up Lacy's resume, it has nothing to do with what I'm saying! The point was that we have two examples of the much better fighter as the underdog yet they were both completely dominant and shut a lot of mouths. I love it when that happens.



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That's exactly what I did. Johnson was a better boxer. How else do you think I came to the conclusion that the Johnson win is better?



I'm obviously not alone, and not only that, but some of the most respectable Hopkins fans on here agree with my first post in this thread.



It's exactly what I'm saying. Both were being overrated and it took a superior fighter to give them a one-sided beating to show the rest of the world what the deal is.

Not mad, btw, I just didn't understand why you brought up Lacy's resume, it has nothing to do with what I'm saying! The point was that we have two examples of the much better fighter as the underdog yet they were both completely dominant and shut a lot of mouths. I love it when that happens.

Sorry mate, but Pavlik is leagues above Lacy.

Pavlik already has big wins in his career. Lacy never had a good win against a mediocre fighter, let alone a big fighter.