Who do you think Won Hopkins-Taylor 1

[elfag]

Im a BIG HUGE Hopkins fan... but that night I remember thinking, WORK BERNARD!!!!! WORK!!!!

There is no way that he did enough early to win that fight..... He came on late, but I think I had the fight 8-4 or 7-5....

I remember having it about 7-5 for Taylor too. Hops winning 8-12 rounds and I think 5 or one of the other earlier. Thats just the problem they didnt do **** the first 8 rounds and Taylor won based on activity as there wasnt anything else to score them on.

The last 4 rounds, Hops was really putting on an asswhipping, you could say Hops won the event but Taylor won the fight. Fights are scored round by round and Hops just didnt do enough the first 8, he also didnt knock Taylor down or hurt him enough for a 10-8 round in the last 4.

[hookoutofhell]

i watched the second fight again and i scored it a draw which meant that taylor should have kept his belts, the first fight i had it for taylor, he took alot of the first rounds and although hopkins came back late on in the fight it was too little too late.

what i dont understand is when people say hopkins in his rpime would have beat taylor and calzaghe because he threw more punches - imo thats a flawed argument. i think against fighters like calzghe and taylor if hopkins had thrown more punches he would have only succeeded in getting countered more often by the quicker guy.

Hopkins had to study the two fighters and see which punchers he could time well without getting countered. but thats the point he would only throw single shots and occasionally a double shot. ppl say that if he had fought like he did against johnson/pavlik against calzaghe and taylor he would have won, no pavlik/johnsons style allowed hopkins to be the aggressor and allowed him to fight like that if he had adopted the same approach vs calzaghe or taylor he would have played right into their hands.

[P4P GOAT]

I watched this fight when it happened around 4 years ago. I am a die hard Hopkins fan, and i saw him winning the fight and was pisssed when he lost.

I decided to watch the fight again because a lot of people were saying that Taylor gave Hopkins a lot of problems when they fought. That Hopkins didn't know what to do against Taylor.
Now lets be honest. Did Taylor really hurt Bernard Hopkins. Did you ever in your mind when the fight was on say that "OMG Hopkins cannot handle Jermain Taylor, Jermain is to fast for hopkins."?
To me Hopkins didn't have trouble like most people are saying on these forums. now this is how i had it

Hopkins hurt Taylor more times then Taylor hurt Hopkins. I dont even think Taylor hurt Hopkins bad.

Hopkins landed more

Taylor was the aggresive one, and hopkins made him pay for that the whole second half of the fight.

But after watching it again, i scored it a tie 114-114, because i feel that even tho Hopkins dominated the second half. I think he let Taylor win the a lot of rounds because he didn't throw enough punches.

True boxing fans know that in his prime hopkins would have had more offensive in the first half, and the whole fight would look like the second half. But it didn't and i could live with that.

But my point is that people are saying that Hopkins has trouble with fighters like Taylor, Calzaghe, Jones, etc. that are athletic.
I dont think so at all.
The Taylor fights, it didn't seem that Taylor was a style mismatch like many say. Hopkins controlled the tempo and landed more punches, even tho Taylor threw more.

The Calzaghe fight is different because he was 43, and it was STILL a close fight.

How did you score Hopkins-Taylor 1???????

I like Hopkins, but i thought Taylor won both fights. People get a distorted view, when scoring fights, because they see one guy winning narrow rounds, but they when they see the other guy winning his rounds more clearly they automatically think, he is winning the fight, but what they forget is that no matter how close a round is there usually still a winner and a loser. Numerically if you win more rounds you have won the fight regardless, if it looks like the other guy won the fight, because he took his rounds more clearly and decisively.

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B HOP imo !

[hookoutofhell]

I like Hopkins, but i thought Taylor won both fights. People get a distorted view, when scoring fights, because they see one guy winning narrow rounds, but they when they see the other guy winning his rounds more clearly they automatically think, he is winning the fight, but what they forget is that no matter how close a round is there usually still a winner and a loser. Numerically if you win more rounds you have won the fight regardless, if it looks like the other guy won the fight, because he took his rounds more clearly and decisively.

good point man - you score the fight round by round and although jermain might not have won all his rounds in the same decisive manner as b-hop sometimes his willingness to come forward and throw meant that he nicked alot of even rounds.

b-hop just didn't do enough

[-EX-]

I had Taylor winning the 1st fight. 2nd fight sometimes I score it for Bernard or a draw 4 sum reason.

[dstew]

i understand. But all fights are CLOSE Decisions. And we are talking about a past prime Bernard Hopkins. Everybody is saying that Calzaghe and taylor would give Hopkins problems in his prime. I dont think so. For being past prime i think he did extremely well.

But i feel in his prime, he would handle jermain and Joe way better because he was younger, and let his hands go more.

Hopkin's performance in the Pavlik fight completely destroys your argument about how he would've thrown more punches against Taylor and Calzaghe if he had been in his prime.

He let his hands go against Pavlik; why not do it against JT or Joe?

You MIGHT could argue that he was weight-drained at 160 against Taylor, but what about at 175 against Joe, when he pounded on Pavlik for 12 rounds at 170?

I think Hopkins was taking a calculated risk in those fights, and miscalculated, so to speak. I think he COULD have been more active but kind of convinced himself that at his age he might not have enough in the tank to go 12 rounds. Turns out, he does have enough if he trains right and puts his heart into it.

[dstew]

I like Hopkins, but i thought Taylor won both fights. People get a distorted view, when scoring fights, because they see one guy winning narrow rounds, but they when they see the other guy winning his rounds more clearly they automatically think, he is winning the fight, but what they forget is that no matter how close a round is there usually still a winner and a loser. Numerically if you win more rounds you have won the fight regardless, if it looks like the other guy won the fight, because he took his rounds more clearly and decisively.

Excellent point.

I scored the fight 7-5 for Taylor. I can see having it a draw, but you'd be hard pressed to convince me that Hopkins won more than six rounds of that fight. Even if you argue that Taylor wasn't landing cleanly or at all a lot of the time, there were rounds when Hopkins didn't do ANYTHING. If one guy is doing something but not very effectively, and the other guy isn't doing anything, I'm going to score that round for the guy making an effort.

[P4P GOAT]

good point man - you score the fight round by round and although jermain might not have won all his rounds in the same decisive manner as b-hop sometimes his willingness to come forward and throw meant that he nicked alot of even rounds.

b-hop just didn't do enough

Excellent point.

I scored the fight 7-5 for Taylor. I can see having it a draw, but you'd be hard pressed to convince me that Hopkins won more than six rounds of that fight. Even if you argue that Taylor wasn't landing cleanly or at all a lot of the time, there were rounds when Hopkins didn't do ANYTHING. If one guy is doing something but not very effectively, and the other guy isn't doing anything, I'm going to score that round for the guy making an effort.

Cheers.

Its like Tarver vs Jones. Most people can see that Tarver did not win the first fight, but, because Roy Jones had never been pushed like that, and he won the rounds he won big, it looked to the crowd as though Tarver had won. Reality was Tarver had large spells of inactivity in middle portion of the fight and Jones probably won 3 of the last 3 rounds.

[street bully]

Hopkins started late bot fights, he lost both and he lost to Calzaghe too.

Hopkins problem is that he doesnt throw punches, and Taylor and Calzaghe outlanded him and out threw him.

WRONG! Hopkins actually outlanded Taylor and threw less, but landed at an astonishingly high percentage.