Who do you think Won Hopkins-Taylor 1

[S A M U R A I]

B-Hop beat Taylor twice, while I will admit the Calzaghe fight could have gone either way. A prime B-Hop would have taken Taylor/ Calzaghe out

Are you talking about a prime Calzaghe as well? I think the Calzaghe who fought Eubank and Lacy would have given anyone a bad night, to be honest. The version of Calzaghe that actually turned up to fight Hopkins was complete garbage and it looked very much like his hands were smashed.



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[IMDAZED]

Are you talking about a prime Calzaghe as well? I think the Calzaghe who fought Eubank and Lacy would have given anyone a bad night, to be honest. The version of Calzaghe that actually turned up to fight Hopkins was complete garbage and it looked very much like his hands were smashed.

That's so funny that you mention the Lacy fight. I was going through some of my posts on a previous message board and here are the two things I said about the Hopkins-Calzaghe fight:

It's very tough to sustain a high workrate against Hopkins. In fact, that's one of his best traits. He knows how to take that away from a fighter. That, and the clinical way he dissects lefties.

Joe C. will have to hurt Hopkins because I suspect he - and many fans - are gonna be in for a shock when they realize how bad he looks April 19th. Unfortunately for Hopkins, making Calzaghe look bad won't be enough to win him the fight. Whether he can mount enough of an offense to get the decision, remains to be seen.

and:

Agreed that Hopkins' workrate isn't high. However, I'm not arguing that it is. I'm arguing that he'll drastically reduce Calzaghe's workrate. Actually, Calzaghe will drastically reduce his own because he's gonna get countered with some pretty stinging rights if he tries that bull**** he did against Lacy.

I still think Joe C. can outwork Hops and win a close one. But nothing is decisive here. At all.

Just pointing out that how Calzaghe performed against Lacy is what led me to believe he'd have serious problems against Hopkins

[Pugilistic™]

34 idiots so far...when warp says hopkins didnt win, you know he didnt win......

I wouldn't say they were idiots but i did expect the votes to favor Taylor based on how inactive Hopkins was till the late rounds.

I gave Hopkins 6 rounds, I couldn't see anymore rounds he deserved, I think i gave him him rounds 5,8,9,10,11,12. He was simply too inactive early on.

I could see it either being a 7-5 win for Taylor or a draw. Hopkins didn't do enough for a win imo.

I thought he deserved the second fight though.

[S A M U R A I]

That's so funny that you mention the Lacy fight. I was going through some of my posts on a previous message board and here are the two things I said about the Hopkins-Calzaghe fight:

It's very tough to sustain a high workrate against Hopkins. In fact, that's one of his best traits. He knows how to take that away from a fighter. That, and the clinical way he dissects lefties.

Joe C. will have to hurt Hopkins because I suspect he - and many fans - are gonna be in for a shock when they realize how bad he looks April 19th. Unfortunately for Hopkins, making Calzaghe look bad won't be enough to win him the fight. Whether he can mount enough of an offense to get the decision, remains to be seen.

and:

Agreed that Hopkins' workrate isn't high. However, I'm not arguing that it is. I'm arguing that he'll drastically reduce Calzaghe's workrate. Actually, Calzaghe will drastically reduce his own because he's gonna get countered with some pretty stinging rights if he tries that bull**** he did against Lacy.

I still think Joe C. can outwork Hops and win a close one. But nothing is decisive here. At all.

Just pointing out that how Calzaghe performed against Lacy is what led me to believe he'd have serious problems against Hopkins

Yes, interesting post, although I think the frame of mind he was in for the Lacy fight, not necessarily what he did or how he fought, made a huge difference.



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[warp1432]

Excellent, excellent post but, unfortunately - according to this board - 50% of the criteria is "effort." Obviously, Hopkins put in no effort in controlling the ring, making Taylor miss and (gasp!) making Taylor pay.

First Taylor fight was one of Hopkins' best performances IMO and I saw no way he lost that fight. The second one? Sure, I won't complain if you scored it for JT. But the first was clearly Hops, dismantling Taylor part by part until his body and confidence were damn near ruined at fight's end.

Wow I disagree 100%. Taylor was actually able to land jabs and had good body work. Hopkins literally did nothing for the first like 7 rounds. He won one of them and also lost round 8 or close to that before Hopkins went on his huge streak.

It was one of his worst performances. He threw around 15 punches a round and was way to inactive to deserve the decision. He dismantled him for the last 4 rounds, but it was not enough to win.

As for the second fight, Hopkins negated everything Taylor did and Taylor didn't land anything really that well. He only won rounds 2-6 (no not round 1 either. Puzzles me how people score that round for Taylor).

[El Dominicano]

Are you talking about a prime Calzaghe as well? I think the Calzaghe who fought Eubank and Lacy would have given anyone a bad night, to be honest. The version of Calzaghe that actually turned up to fight Hopkins was complete garbage and it looked very much like his hands were smashed.

You'll never look good against B-Hop, no one ever does. I do know that Calzaghe is open for right hands and had B-Hop been as accurate/ strong and had the stamina he once had...Calzaghe wouldn't see the 12

Not to take anything away from Calzaghe. I don't like the guy at all but after watching Calzaghe vs Kessler, I saw just how good he was.

I don't give Mayweather much credit for the Gatti win, even though he looked GREAT anyone shouldn't either for the Lacy win. Lacys a nobody

[S A M U R A I]

You'll never look good against B-Hop, no one ever does. I do know that Calzaghe is open for right hands and had B-Hop been as accurate/ strong and had the stamina he once had...Calzaghe wouldn't see the 12

Not to take anything away from Calzaghe. I don't like the guy at all but after watching Calzaghe vs Kessler, I saw just how good he was.

I don't give Mayweather much credit for the Gatti win, even though he looked GREAT anyone shouldn't either for the Lacy win. Lacys a nobody

Agree with the first part in that nobody looks good against Hopkins. It's just the way it is. The guy is so smart.

The last part, I see your point, and I agree to some extent, but it's easy to say Lacy is no good after the fight, but that wasn't the case before it. Joe was an underdog even in the UK, which really tells you something. Lacy was the man to beat at 168. It took that performance from Calzaghe to make the rest of the world realize that he was nowhere near Calzaghe's level though, and since then Jeff has looked pretty bad.

I feel kinda sorry for Lacy, to be honest. That fight should have been stopped, in my opinion. Seeing Gary Shaw screaming at Dan Birmingham to stop the fight but being ignored pissed me off too. It could have been ended in round 9 or so, Lacy was just taking unnecessary punishment and I think it's ruined his career completely.

The Jones fight should have been stopped too.

Sorry for getting off-track, btw. Carry on with the Hopkins-Taylor stuff.



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[IMDAZED]

Wow I disagree 100%. Taylor was actually able to land jabs and had good body work. Hopkins literally did nothing for the first like 7 rounds. He won one of them and also lost round 8 or close to that before Hopkins went on his huge streak.

It was one of his worst performances. He threw around 15 punches a round and was way to inactive to deserve the decision. He dismantled him for the last 4 rounds, but it was not enough to win.

As for the second fight, Hopkins negated everything Taylor did and Taylor didn't land anything really that well. He only won rounds 2-6 (no not round 1 either. Puzzles me how people score that round for Taylor).

Completely disagree.

Moving along...

[Dambala]

B-Hop gave too many early rounds away, he lost that fight.

[dde91]

B-Hop ahead by nine points