46-0-0.....People can hate but who has come close in this generation?

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  • Cuauhtémoc1520
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    #91
    Originally posted by Spray_resistant
    0's mean nothing really, most of the time when someone has an 0 on their record it means that they are untested or avoided risk. Calzaghe is no doubt a great talent, I think he catches alot of hate for the same reason Mayweather catches hate. It's because they have great ability and didn't do anything risky to display the full potential of their abilities. Take someone like Emmauel Augustus, he may not have the ability of Calzaghe but rather the nature of a fighter and a willingness to take risk and in time Augustus will be more highly regarded than Calzaghe if he is not already.
    Honestly, this is a very ****** post. O's mean nothing?? I can see you have never fought before. Everytime you enter the ring, you are taking a huge risk. Not only in losing but with your health.

    Anyone who doesn't respect what Calzaghe has done is blind or just ******. If you want to make the argument that he fought in an era that unfortunately didn't have the marquee match ups, then I will grant you that.

    Kind of like Roy Jones being undefeated for so long because of the lack of talent in his era. It isn't his fault but I understand when people may want to rate him lower because you are only as good as the people you have fought.

    But to say "O's mean nothing" is beyond ignorant and ******. Calzaghe has to be considered one of the greatest SMW of all time, I wouldn't put him at #1 but he has to be up there.

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    • andrewcuff
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      #92
      Originally posted by cuauhtemoc1496
      Honestly, this is a very ****** post. O's mean nothing?? I can see you have never fought before. Everytime you enter the ring, you are taking a huge risk. Not only in losing but with your health.

      Anyone who doesn't respect what Calzaghe has done is blind or just ******. If you want to make the argument that he fought in an era that unfortunately didn't have the marquee match ups, then I will grant you that.

      Kind of like Roy Jones being undefeated for so long because of the lack of talent in his era. It isn't his fault but I understand when people may want to rate him lower because you are only as good as the people you have fought.

      But to say "O's mean nothing" is beyond ignorant and ******. Calzaghe has to be considered one of the greatest SMW of all time, I wouldn't put him at #1 but he has to be up there.
      Excellent post about the mythical "0"

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      • CaRnAgEViOLaToR
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        #93
        Originally posted by Johnny Rebel
        Tarver lost to Jones and landed a lucky punch in the rematch, Calzaghe completely dominated Jone's from start to finish like nobody ever has.

        Eubank, Reid, Sheika, Veit, Brewer, Mitchell and Bika were also all really good fighters.

        We don't have to make a hypothetical of who was better Jones, Hopkins or Calzaghe when Calzaghe proved he was the better fighter in the ring, where biases can't effect the outcome! All the excuses in the world won't change the outcome of those fights.

        Joe Calzaghe is an All-Time great, deal with it!
        calzaghe dominated jones like nobody ever has...dude, slow down on the NUTHUGGING...you forget to mention glen johnson's shutout KO win over jones and tarvers dominating UD plus hurting jones late in the fight. fact is dude, joe calzaghe took on a shot roy jones. fact is, jones was dominated and ko'd years before he lost to calzaghe. and he still put the slappy one on his ass.

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        • Left Hook Tua
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          #94
          Originally posted by Johnny Rebel
          Joe is criticized for fighting "nobodies" but then you call him a "nobody back then" so how was he supposed to make a fight with Jones back then in their "primes"?

          What "big name" "prime" fighter's should Calzaghe have fought???

          There's nothing Calzaghe can/could do to prove himself to idiots like you, besides lose. It just burns y'all haters that Joe is retiring undefeated with victories over the only other MW-LHW (Hopkins and Jones) of his generation that can claim to be as great as Calzaghe. Learn to deal with it because you can't change history no matter how many hate post y'all make about the great Joe Calzaghe!

          Calzaghe > Jones > Hopkins
          joe was a nobody back then because he beat no one who was a big name.

          if there's no one that's a big name to beat in your division , the only way to make a name for yourself is to either jump up or down to fight a big name OR unify your division. calzaghe did neither.

          there's nothing calzaghe can prove to "idiots" like me because he's retired. his resume and legacy is already written. it wasn't much.

          get it through your head. hopkins was 43 yrs. old! jones was 40 yrs. old!

          he had a sd win over a version of bernard hopkins that lost to jermain taylor! twice! do you think bernard would lose to jermain taylor even once if he was close to his prime?

          roy jones was shot 4-5 years ago! do you know how i know that? because unlike you i follow boxing. he got ktfo back to back! do you think a roy jones even close to his prime would get ktfo back to back?

          ****** ****.

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          • Slater P Persin
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            #95
            Originally posted by cuauhtemoc1496
            Kind of like Roy Jones being undefeated for so long because of the lack of talent in his era. It isn't his fault but I understand when people may want to rate him lower because you are only as good as the people you have fought.

            But to say "O's mean nothing" is beyond ignorant and ******. Calzaghe has to be considered one of the greatest SMW of all time, I wouldn't put him at #1 but he has to be up there.
            I have to disagree with that, Hopkins and Toney both plus some solid contenders. I know he fought allot of mailmen but he also fought the Elite. Calzaghe's not even close. He fought Mailmen exclusively.

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            • baracuda
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              #96
              joe calzaghe is undefeated!he's actually 4 and 0 against hopkins,roy jones,lacy and kessler.the rest of the wins does not count instead jus a decoration.he retired undefeated though...

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              • mrlopez
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                #97
                Originally posted by The_One77
                The haters have no answer to Joe's superb unmatched record, they can prod, criticize, knitpick and say whatever **** they want but the fact remains that Joe is 2 time undisputed champion of the world and undeniably the King of the Supermiddle weights past, present and future.
                Ali was the king of the heavyweights and Joe likewise is god of his realm, so that automatically puts him up there with the greats like SRR and Ali.

                People hate but they cant fk with Joe, they can't fk with him because hes the best boxer to pair a lace of gloves in the last 40 years. Especially the armchair fat yank critics; they probably piss themselves when they hear the name Joe. lol

                Hopkins has lost 5 times and got whooped by Joe Calzaghe himself, no way in hell is he greater.
                No worries though because the record stil stands; 46-0-0.

                46-0-0
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                Joe Calzaghe Pride of Wales
                Originally posted by Dorian
                The only thing I find funny is how a lot of people said "Roy will knock Joke Calslappy out" and after the fight they said "Oh, what did you expect? Jones is shot"

                Haters these days, and when I said "If jones wins more then 3 rounds he should be happy" they said I was "delusional"

                tsk tsk tsk
                He's retired, let it go.......

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                • Spray_resistant
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                  #98
                  Originally posted by cuauhtemoc1496
                  Honestly, this is a very ****** post. O's mean nothing?? I can see you have never fought before. Everytime you enter the ring, you are taking a huge risk. Not only in losing but with your health.

                  Anyone who doesn't respect what Calzaghe has done is blind or just ******. If you want to make the argument that he fought in an era that unfortunately didn't have the marquee match ups, then I will grant you that.

                  Kind of like Roy Jones being undefeated for so long because of the lack of talent in his era. It isn't his fault but I understand when people may want to rate him lower because you are only as good as the people you have fought.

                  But to say "O's mean nothing" is beyond ignorant and ******. Calzaghe has to be considered one of the greatest SMW of all time, I wouldn't put him at #1 but he has to be up there.

                  Well that is a blatantly obvious risk, I didn't think I would have to state something like that because as adults we should be aware of this......but on the other points we are just going to have to agree to disagree.

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                  • KiloTeague
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                    #99
                    Originally posted by Left Hook Tua
                    roy was 21-0 fighting for his first world title.

                    bernard was 22-1 fighting for his first world title.

                    roy was 24-25.

                    bernard was 27-28.
                    Seriously, we all need to put to rest the notion that Bernard was so inexpierienced when he fought Roy. Both were young, both were inexpierienced, both were bashing in everyone elses head, and continued to do so after they fought each other. Physically Bernard was in the prime of his life and if you watched him fight it was his physicall attributes that won him fights. Only later when he started to slow down, did he become a little more tactical, but Bernard used to physically ruff everyone up non stop for the entire fight, twice as ruff as hatton. The fact that he is still hooping people at 43 is a testament to just how great he was at 27, just like any other athlete. Just cause you didn't here about him until he was 36 fighting Tito, doesn't mean anything. Bernard was already four years out of his prime by then. He went 12 rounds. Prime Roy would have KOd Tito in 3 or less. It really all depended on what he wanted to do.
                    Last edited by KiloTeague; 03-10-2009, 12:42 PM.

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                    • KiloTeague
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                      #100
                      Originally posted by Left Hook Tua
                      roy was 21-0 fighting for his first world title.

                      bernard was 22-1 fighting for his first world title.

                      roy was 24-25.

                      bernard was 27-28.
                      Originally posted by Left Hook Tua
                      he probably wasn't in his technical prime yet but he was in his physical prime.

                      very few fighters are in their physical and technical primes at the same time anyway.

                      most the time fighters start working on their technique more after their physical tools start slipping.
                      Exactly..............................

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