Hopkins, Golden Boy Push For a Calzaghe Rematch

[zojo]

calzaghe would beat him faster and probably knock him out now that he wont underestimate hopkins.

[Abstraction]

calzaghe would beat him faster and probably knock him out now that he wont underestimate hopkins.

Pathetic.

Go Away

[Haglerwins]

Actually, I disagree with certain things here. yes, you're right in that he wasn't hurt, that's completely obvious by the way he got up without shaky legs, eyes completely clear, and whipped Jones' ass for 11 straight rounds. But the "punch" that hit Calzaghe wasn't even a punch, never mind one that would KO anyone. It was a forearm.

I've been quite vocal on here about my theory behind this, and some may call me crazy, but I think the 'knockdown' was faked.

Shock Horror!

So, why would he do that? Well, think about it. There are several reasons why, and if it was faked, it was a damn smart thing to do. Joe Calzaghe knew that the fight wouldn't even be competitive, and he proved this by giving Jones the beating of his life, possibly worse than Lacy. Making it look like he got knocked down does two things: it makes Jones think that all he has to do is keep throwing power punches to knock Joe out, and it also makes the public think the fight is more competitive than it really was. The first reason is smart, because Jones leaves himself wide open to be boxed while ever he's throwing power punches, right? The second reason is also clever, although it might be fooling the viewers a little.

Seriously... who the **** gets knocked down by a forearm? Have you ever seen it in your life? He then goes on to absorb massive uppercuts later on from Jones and doesn't even flinch. He took much more powerful shots than the forearm tha supposedly caused the knockdown, and he walked right through them as though nothing even happened.

Call me crazy, say what you want, but it's a theory I've been thinking about since the fight happened and I'm absolutely convinced there is something wrong with that knockdown.

I think Joe wakes up after a good shot. Like his punch resistance starts at a 5 or a 6 and then it shoots up to a 10.

[S A M U R A I]

I'm not talking about the fight, I'm talking about the stamina display. I don't need a lecture on how Calzaghe is league's better than Pavlik, it's just imo it has a major bearing on why Hop was tired the way he was against Joe.

It's not a lecture, it's just me expressing my surprise that we're even having this conversation.

You only need one word to describe why Hopkins got tired: "Pace".

He couldn't keep up. It really is as simple as that.



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[Dirk Diggler UK]

I'm not talking about the fight, I'm talking about the stamina display. I don't need a lecture on how Calzaghe is league's better than Pavlik, it's just imo it has a major bearing on why Hop was tired the way he was against Joe.

You clearly do need a lecture. Kelly Pavlik is a one paced fighter, terribly slow, walks forward in straight lines throwing predictable punches. Plus he was fighting 10lbs above his natural weight adding to his sluggishness. Of course Hopkins is gonna look sharper fighting him.

Calzaghe kept Hopkins under constant pressure, constantly threw punches, moved him round the ring and tired him out physically and mentally.

Hopkins clinched a lot against Winky too for the same reason. Winky and Calzaghe are the kind of fighters that force you out of your gameplan, force you to make adjustments. They're not basic, straight up and down fighters like Pavlik.

Please stop comparing the two fights.

[Zmlacksz]

If you watch the first fight from rounds 2-12(just give Hopkins a 10-8 for round 1) it's impossible to score a Hopkins win. I did this and scored the fight 116-112 for Calzaghe. The knockdown has an effect on how you score the rest of the fight (and it was a flash knockdown calzaghe wasn't even hurt).
Basically from rounds 2-12 Hopkins did nothing just hugged and survived while throwing 3-4 punches a round.
He should also have been deducted a point in round 11 when he touched the canvas trying to fake a 2nd low blow.

[Pullcounter]

calz is too scared, he wont come out of hiding... i mean retirement.

[S A M U R A I]

I think Joe wakes up after a good shot. Like his punch resistance starts at a 5 or a 6 and then it shoots up to a 10.

Where was this good shot? You missed my point: it wasn't a good shot, it was... a forearm!



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[Pugilistic™]

Where was this good shot? You missed my point: it wasn't a good shot, it was... a forearm!

Thats true.

that would of put down alot of fighters, difference is most of those fighters wouldn't of got up.

[S A M U R A I]

Pathetic.

Go Away

Wait a second, he might actually be right. Why are you so convinced he is wrong? You're a known hater around here (hence the reason why you have a bright red bar under your name), so it's hard for anyone to take your comments seriously, because they are anything but unbiased or rational, therefore it's almost impossible to reason with you. Your mind is already closed.



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