Hopkins, Golden Boy Push For a Calzaghe Rematch

[Zmlacksz]

Yeah him getting knocked down in the first round 2 times in a row, once getting seriously hurt by a beyond shot Roy Jones.. wooo how could I doubt him? No I gotta admit Calzaghe is a great fighter, and he's got heart and a chin, but he's not invincible and I believe BHop could hurt him if he takes the chance, fighting in Wales he may have to.

I must have missed the fight you watched if Calzaghe was seriously hurt, I mean Calzaghe got up from the Jones knockdown and started throwing punches, if he was hurt he would have started holding on to Jones for his life not trading punches. It was a flash knockdown from a punch he didn't see coming that would have KO'd most of the top light heavyweights. As soon as Calzaghe got straight back up the fight was over.

[Dave Rado]

Sigh. Constant movement + throwing more means he was expending more energy, meaning the Hopkins we know should've been exhausted at some point in that fight. Someone tell me why BHop was so tired against Joe doing much less?

Because he was so much better than Pavlik that it was like a sparring session. Almost all his punches landed, and clean punches that land aren't particularly tiring. He was under no pressure, and being under pressure is tiring. Kessler also tired badly in the middle rounds against Calzaghe, although he revived in the final round; and Kessler doesn't normally tire.

[S A M U R A I]

I was reluctant to get involved in this thread again because I knew it'd be the same old **** being thrown around. But how anyone can compare Pavlik to Calzaghe is completely beyond my comprehension. By 'compare', I don't mean directly, because anyone can see that Pavlik is nowhere near the level of Calzaghe, no matter what you think of Joe's style of fighting. You don't actually have to like him to notice that he is leagues above Kelly. At least, I assume you can see the difference in these two, anyway. So is it really any wonder why Hopkins looked so much better against Pavlik than he did against Calzagge? FFS. I can't even believe I'm writing such a post.

Calzaghe and Hopkins force each other to look like complete ****. It would happen every time they fought, even if they rematched each other 25 times. Can people not see why their styles clash so badly? They are complete opposites who cancel each other's style out. Hopkins will never look good fighting Joe, and vice versa, so stop fooling yourselves.

Personally, I have a lot of respect for both of them, they are some of my favorite fighters, but I never want to see them together. It's like pairing up a ****ing tuba player with a thrash metal band! It just doesn't work!



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[Haglerwins]

Because he was fighting Joe Calzaghe

Because he was so much better than Pavlik that it was like a sparring session. Almost all his punches landed, and clean punches that land aren't particularly tiring. He was under no pressure, and being under pressure is tiring. Kessler also tired badly in the middle rounds against Calzaghe, although he revived in the final round; and Kessler doesn't normally tire.

That makes no sense. He produced more energy fighting Pavlik, clinched a fraction of the amount he did against Joe (so he wasn't really taking big breaks to boot) yet he's visibly tired against Cal only half way while expending less energy?

Rado, I would buy that argument if Hopkins didn't clinch so much against Joe. It wasn't like Cotto draining himself trying to get away from Margarito. Bernard conserved much more energy than he was expending. ****, Hop got so exhausted against Joe he couldn't even feint anymore and he was hardly throwing to begin with.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

I was reluctant to get involved in this thread again because I knew it'd be the same old **** being thrown around. But how anyone can compare Pavlik to Calzaghe is completely beyond my comprehension. By 'compare', I don't mean directly, because anyone can see that Pavlik is nowhere near the level of Calzaghe, no matter what you think of Joe's style of fighting. You don't actually have to like him to notice that he is leagues above Kelly. At least, I assume you can see the difference in these two, anyway. So is it really any wonder why Hopkins looked so much better against Pavlik than he did against Calzagge? FFS. I can't even believe I'm writing such a post.

Calzaghe and Hopkins force each other to look like complete ****. It would happen every time they fought, even if they rematched each other 25 times. Can people not see why their styles clash so badly? They are complete opposites who cancel each other's style out. Hopkins will never look good fighting Joe, and vice versa, so stop fooling yourselves.

Personally, I have a lot of respect for both of them, they are some of my favorite fighters, but I never want to see them together. It's like pairing up a ****ing tuba player with a thrash metal band! It just doesn't work!

Haglerwins take note

[Dirk Diggler UK]

That makes no sense. He produced more energy fighting Pavlik, clinched a fraction of the amount he did against Joe (so he wasn't really taking big breaks to boot) yet he's visibly tired against Cal only half way while expending less energy?

Rado, I would buy that argument if Hopkins didn't clinch so much against Joe. It wasn't like Cotto draining himself trying to get away from Margarito. Bernard conserved much more energy than he was expending. ****, Hop got so exhausted against Joe he couldn't even feint anymore and he was hardly throwing to begin with.

What makes no sense is trying to compare fighting against Pavlik to fighting against Calzaghe.

[Haglerwins]

Haglerwins take note

I'm not talking about the fight, I'm talking about the stamina display. I don't need a lecture on how Calzaghe is league's better than Pavlik, it's just imo it has a major bearing on why Hop was tired the way he was against Joe.

[Abstraction]

B-Hops won the fight in my books.

[Roger Mellie]

B-Hops won the fight in my books.

I didnt think you could read books.

[S A M U R A I]

I must have missed the fight you watched if Calzaghe was seriously hurt, I mean Calzaghe got up from the Jones knockdown and started throwing punches, if he was hurt he would have started holding on to Jones for his life not trading punches. It was a flash knockdown from a punch he didn't see coming that would have KO'd most of the top light heavyweights. As soon as Calzaghe got straight back up the fight was over.

Actually, I disagree with certain things here. yes, you're right in that he wasn't hurt, that's completely obvious by the way he got up without shaky legs, eyes completely clear, and whipped Jones' ass for 11 straight rounds. But the "punch" that hit Calzaghe wasn't even a punch, never mind one that would KO anyone. It was a forearm.

I've been quite vocal on here about my theory behind this, and some may call me crazy, but I think the 'knockdown' was faked.

Shock Horror!

So, why would he do that? Well, think about it. There are several reasons why, and if it was faked, it was a damn smart thing to do. Joe Calzaghe knew that the fight wouldn't even be competitive, and he proved this by giving Jones the beating of his life, possibly worse than Lacy. Making it look like he got knocked down does two things: it makes Jones think that all he has to do is keep throwing power punches to knock Joe out, and it also makes the public think the fight is more competitive than it really was. The first reason is smart, because Jones leaves himself wide open to be boxed while ever he's throwing power punches, right? The second reason is also clever, although it might be fooling the viewers a little.

Seriously... who the **** gets knocked down by a forearm? Have you ever seen it in your life? He then goes on to absorb massive uppercuts later on from Jones and doesn't even flinch. He took much more powerful shots than the forearm tha supposedly caused the knockdown, and he walked right through them as though nothing even happened.

Call me crazy, say what you want, but it's a theory I've been thinking about since the fight happened and I'm absolutely convinced there is something wrong with that knockdown.



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