Hopkins, Golden Boy Push For a Calzaghe Rematch

[-Antonio-]

watch the fight again closely with no sound......... from the first 8 rounds, if you can find more than 2 rounds to give Joe you need to just watch the fights and not score them........I've been called everything from a "sour bastard" to a "bias yank" when talkin' about this fight ....its cool, I can take it........I agree with Spiegelo ........if the fight happens (I doubt it will) Hopkins has gotta go for the KO and be more agressive than he was in Vegas......I also agree with S a m u r a i.........Calzaghe won the fight and we just gotta live with it........and for the dudes who call us Hopkins fans Calzaghe haters......yall givin' him too much credit when yall call us that, we just admire and support our dude to the fullest......we become 1 with our dude and his battles become ours ........No hate for Calz over here.......you don't have to like someone to respect them, thats life, thats real and thats just how it is!

no health problems and ****m in charge doesn't make this the same fight we saw April 19, 2008........Hopkins wins this in spectacular fashion

I'm sure you gave round 7 to Hopkins too right? The one where he lands one punch the whole round. Zaghe shouldnt have to fight this ugly fight again. Hops can only win by fighting as ugly as possible. Holding, hitting on the break, low blowing, milking low blows, etc. If he fights more agressive he loses in a wider fashion. That's just reality.

[S A M U R A I]

Thats true.

that would of put down alot of fighters, difference is most of those fighters wouldn't of got up.

The Hopkins right hand in the 1st round of their fight was much harder looking than the Jones forearm. Now that was a legit knockdown, but Jones? I ain't buying it.



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[Chunk..]

Actually, I disagree with certain things here. yes, you're right in that he wasn't hurt, that's completely obvious by the way he got up without shaky legs, eyes completely clear, and whipped Jones' ass for 11 straight rounds. But the "punch" that hit Calzaghe wasn't even a punch, never mind one that would KO anyone. It was a forearm.

I've been quite vocal on here about my theory behind this, and some may call me crazy, but I think the 'knockdown' was faked.

Shock Horror!

So, why would he do that? Well, think about it. There are several reasons why, and if it was faked, it was a damn smart thing to do. Joe Calzaghe knew that the fight wouldn't even be competitive, and he proved this by giving Jones the beating of his life, possibly worse than Lacy. Making it look like he got knocked down does two things: it makes Jones think that all he has to do is keep throwing power punches to knock Joe out, and it also makes the public think the fight is more competitive than it really was. The first reason is smart, because Jones leaves himself wide open to be boxed while ever he's throwing power punches, right? The second reason is also clever, although it might be fooling the viewers a little.

Seriously... who the **** gets knocked down by a forearm? Have you ever seen it in your life? He then goes on to absorb massive uppercuts later on from Jones and doesn't even flinch. He took much more powerful shots than the forearm tha supposedly caused the knockdown, and he walked right through them as though nothing even happened.

Call me crazy, say what you want, but it's a theory I've been thinking about since the fight happened and I'm absolutely convinced there is something wrong with that knockdown.

If someone hits you full pelt in the face with a forearm, you'll be on the deck!

[Pugilistic™]

The Hopkins right hand in the 1st round of their fight was much harder looking than the Jones forearm. Now that was a legit knockdown, but Jones? I ain't buying it.

I think Jones forearm shot hurt Joe more than Hopkins right hand.

but then again it was a forearm.

[S A M U R A I]

If someone hits you full pelt in the face with a forearm, you'll be on the deck!

You are saying the inside of a forearm is more powerful than a brutal uppercut or a solid smack in the face with a fist?

I love you man. But seriously, **** off!



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[Chunk..]

You are saying the inside of a forearm is more powerful than a brutal uppercut or a solid smack in the face with a fist?

I love you man. But seriously, **** off!

Where did i say that?

[-Antonio-]

You are saying the inside of a forearm is more powerful than a brutal uppercut or a solid smack in the face with a fist?

I love you man. But seriously, **** off!

Why can't it put you down, it happens in MMA (no jokes).

The forearm isn't protected with padding like the fist is.

[Haglerwins]

It's not a lecture, it's just me expressing my surprise that we're even having this conversation.

You only need one word to describe why Hopkins got tired: "Pace".

He couldn't keep up. It really is as simple as that.

Again, I'd buy it if Hopkins wasn't clinching so much. It helps him conserve energy. He's throwing accurately but little, and he clinches frequently and tried to take 10 minutes worth of low blow breaks. Calzaghes walking him down, but missing 2x as much as he's landing if you want to call it that. Against Pavlik the offense is turned up to the max, he's moving backwards and at angles a lot despite being so much quicker when he didn't have to and clinching a fraction of the time. He's moving constantly.

Oh, Dirk, c'mon. Hop chose to fight Kelly like that. He could've hauled ass backward the ENTIRE fight like he usually does but said in the post fight interview he purposely came into that fight aggressively and would do so in the future for fear of losing any more close decisions. Part of that was him actively pushing to make Kelly look bad and not just Kelly's deficiencies allowing him to go wild and look like Superman.

If he didn't mention his philosophy change against Pavlik, I would've thought him incapable of fighting at such a pace at that point. For now, I'm taking BHop's word for it...overactive thyroid against Calzaghe.

[S A M U R A I]

I don't believe Joe Calzaghe would have been knocked down by the inside of a forearm and then been merely tickled by a Roy Jones uppercut. Sorry dudes, it just doesn't wash with me.

But as I said, it's a theory. There's something dodgy about that knockdown, in my opinion.

PS: I've had enough now, I'm gonna find a different thread.



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[Chunk..]