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  • ALT=_=Assassin
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    #11
    Originally posted by Left Hook Tua
    reid , brewer , kessler , lacy , mitchell and kessler were all good wins. that's about it though.

    hopkins was a great win. jones was a good win also , just for the name recognition and the money involved.
    You had to say Kessler twice because he has such a bad resume......

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      #12
      Originally posted by Xplosivo
      watch it for urself kid and tell me that u honestly think calzaghe won this fight, go on:
      I was a massive Robin Reid fan, still am really, I cheered ever punch he landed, I was totally routing for Ried but I didn't think he won the fight, Robin Reid said after the fight he didn't think he won the fight, the commentators didn't think he won the fight and the UK boxing press where calling for Paul Thomas to be banned from judging after the fight.

      So no it was NOT a robbery.

      Want to see a robbery? watch the Reid vs Ottke fight THAT was a robbery.

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        #13
        Originally posted by hammerhiem
        I was a massive Robin Reid fan, still am really, I cheered ever punch he landed, I was totally routing for Ried but I didn't think he won the fight, Robin Reid said after the fight he didn't think he won the fight, the commentators didn't think he won the fight and the UK boxing press where calling for Paul Thomas to be banned from judging after the fight.

        So no it was NOT a robbery.

        Want to see a robbery? watch the Reid vs Ottke fight THAT was a robbery.
        True, the fight was close and could of went either way. Reid did say in a later interview that he felt like he won after rewatching the bout.

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          #14
          What a fantastic fighter Calzaghe is

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            #15
            Originally posted by Xplosivo
            The opponents:

            mark the ones in bold in what you think were credible opponents:

            Mikkel Kessler
            Peter Manfredo Jr - LMFAO...Seriously how do u defend this
            Sakio Bika - still not a worthy fight and he made calzaghe look bad
            Jeff Lacy
            Evans Ashira - lmfao...
            Mario Veit - ??? what was the point of fighting him again?
            Kabary Salem - still got knocked down by this journeyman
            Mger Mkrtchian bum
            Byron Mitchell - bum
            Tocker Pudwill - bum
            Miguel Angel Jimenez - bum
            Charles Brewer -bum
            Will McIntyre - bum
            Mario Veit - who what?
            Richie Woodhall - ?
            Omar Sheika - journeyman/bum
            David Starie - bum
            Rick Thornberry - bum
            Robin Reid - robbery
            Juan Carlos Gimenez Ferreyra - bum
            Branko Sobot - bum
            Chris Eubank - past his prime

            So out of 21 title defenses and 10 years ....i see 2 as credible wins.

            What say you?

            Even lacy and kessler althought being credible/good wins, both of those fighters havent done **** since then, and their resume is still not that great.
            Mikkel Kessler
            Peter Manfredo Jr - - must shame you that he was the best HBO could come up with in America...
            Sakio Bika
            Jeff Lacy
            Evans Ashira - lmfao...
            Mario Veit - mandetory coming off a KO of Brewer in eliminator
            Kabary Salem - still got knocked down by this journeyman
            Mger Mkrtchian Mandetory
            Byron Mitchell
            Tocker Pudwill - last minute replacement for Thomas Tate
            Miguel Angel Jimenez - mandetory
            Charles Brewer
            Will McIntyre - mandetory
            Mario Veit - was 30-0
            Richie Woodhall
            Omar Sheika
            David Starie - british title holder, he was cleaning up the home scene, think how much flack hatton gets for not facing Witter.
            Rick Thornberry - bum
            Robin Reid - huge Reid fan but clearly not a robbery
            Juan Carlos Gimenez Ferreyra - Mandetory
            Branko Sobot - bum
            Chris Eubank - past his prime but still very very good

            mark the ones in bold in what you think were credible opponents.
            Calzaghe like many great champions are riddled with less then deserving opponents. You can do this to Roy Jones or Hopkins too if you really wanted to diesect them the same way. the fact is this has been done time in time again. Joe is 46-0 is he the greatest that ever laced up the gloves well I dont know some of his loyal fans will make a case for this with his accomplishments and legacy of being such a legend killer. I will say this he defintely is skilled and on any night would give any of the greats all they could handle at 168-175. I have found some respect for this man as much as he gets slack here and some of them rightfully so. Bar all that nonsense the man is still 46-0 and even a drunk bar fighter could get lucky and catch you on the chin just Lennox Lewis and you will get the answer. 46-0 is defintely a good record...Lefty

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            • Xplosivo
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              #16
              Originally posted by hammerhiem
              I was a massive Robin Reid fan, still am really, I cheered ever punch he landed, I was totally routing for Ried but I didn't think he won the fight, Robin Reid said after the fight he didn't think he won the fight, the commentators didn't think he won the fight and the UK boxing press where calling for Paul Thomas to be banned from judging after the fight.

              So no it was NOT a robbery.

              Want to see a robbery? watch the Reid vs Ottke fight THAT was a robbery.
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              "Last time around I fought Calzaghe as the challenger. If he watches the tape often enough like I do, he will see that I beat him."

              - Robin Reid



              Spud: Joe Calzaghe. Many people feel you won the first fight against Calzaghe. Do you want to fight him again, and has there been any serious offers to fight Joe since the first fight?

              RR: I have to say to the first part yep I feel I won the first fight as well. I have studied a tape of it and I seriously believe I won that fight by at least 2 rounds and that includes the point deduction for the low blow. Each time I watch the tape, I think I won even more!!! The Referee always seemed to be on my case, don't get me wrong I think myself and Joe in that fight were as bad as each other, but it just seemed the Referee was always blaming me.
              Last edited by Xplosivo; 02-24-2009, 09:43 AM.

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              • Left Hook Tua
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                #17
                Originally posted by ALT=_=Assassin
                You had to say Kessler twice because he has such a bad resume......
                hahaha

                let me fix it.

                it's not a bad resume tbh......but for a champion for 11 years......i don't know about that.......
                Last edited by Left Hook Tua; 02-24-2009, 09:52 AM.

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by hammerhiem
                  I was a massive Robin Reid fan, still am really, I cheered ever punch he landed, I was totally routing for Ried but I didn't think he won the fight, Robin Reid said after the fight he didn't think he won the fight, the commentators didn't think he won the fight and the UK boxing press where calling for Paul Thomas to be banned from judging after the fight.

                  So no it was NOT a robbery.

                  Want to see a robbery? watch the Reid vs Ottke fight THAT was a robbery.
                  Reid Calzaghe was not a robbery. It was close and could have gone either way.

                  But that doesn't make it a great defense or even good for Calzaghe. Reid was a good opponent, but it was too close to make it anything special for joe.

                  As for the 9? No way.

                  I see Kessler (still hasn't proven himself), Eubank (who was old and worn out), Reid (too close to call that a good win), Lacy (who is a bum, but to be fair can't blame joe for taking that fight).

                  Who else?

                  Bryon mitchell was a power punching never was. Not only that but at the time Joe fought him the Ring magazine had a section on him about how he was one of the top 10 titlists that they predicted WOULD NOT last as champion throughout that year. Do you remember how Mitchell looked in his fights before Joe. He was slipping at best, and honestly the guy never was that great to begin with so it's not like he had that far to go down before being just fodder.

                  Sakio Bika? What are his great credible wins? The guy is above average, that's it. He's exciting.

                  I suppose you can make a case for Brewer and Woodhall not being crap- sure.

                  But I mean seriously, this is not a great resume as you've admitted whatever the reason.

                  Anyone who tries to build it up as this awesome achievement is just jockriding. I won't even go into the fact that he was defending a WBO trinket.

                  That being said, a small note: it's still impressive at some level intellectually to see anyone defend any belt 21 times at a higher level in this sport. Boxing has an extensive weed out process so you have to give him props for longevity. Which I have stated before quite a few times- that his longevity is his only and best claim to fame.

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by Left Hook Tua
                    hahaha

                    let me fix it.

                    it's not a bad resume tbh......but for a champion for 11 years......i don't know about that.......
                    I know Tua, he is top ten ATG just like Vitali Klitschko.

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                    • Left Hook Tua
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by ALT=_=Assassin
                      I know Tua, he is top ten ATG just like Vitali Klitschko.
                      maybe top 10 european fighter the last decade......maybe.

                      if you didn't know much about joe and look at his resume it's good......some good names......but then when you find out he was a champ since '97......

                      you'll be like , "why did he only fight ONE solid opponent every 2-3 years!!?!?!?" lol

                      good fighter , good resume does not a great fighter make.

                      joe is a good fighter nothing more.

                      if you look at hamed's reign even though much shorter in length......it's much more impressive.

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