Is Manny Pacquiao a top 20 all time?

[Motofan]

The guy has so many great fighters on his resume and those hard fights havent caught up with him yet. If he beats hatton and Mayweather or whoever he fights after hatton then i dont see why not he can kick out some guys like harry greb,Eder Jofre,Sandy Saddler he is a better fighter than all those guys

No...just no...

[ottoevans]

i dont know man, even if he does beat Cotto, Hatton and Floyd, are they higher than lets say Hagler, Hearns and Duran?

That would place him higher than Leonard whos a top 30 guy?

Is Cotto, Hatton and Floyd Higher than Ali and Jerry Quarry than that would make him higher than Frazier whos probably top 30 to 40.

and is Cotto, Hatton and Floyd better than Ken Norton and Ernie Shavers? That would make him higher than Larry Holmes whos also a top 50 guy.

I love the pacman but lets be real, he shocked Barrera in 1st fight that was great! He kinda got dominated after the 1st round by MArquez. Got soundly beat by Morales who had already been in bunch of wars, great win in the rematch tho.

Beat Barrera the 2nd time but Barrera was done by that time. Good win but close decision in the Marquez fight, could have gone anyway. Good win against Diaz but its more of the fact that he went up in weight than the fact that Diaz was that good.

And i know i know excuses excuses, but from anybody who has a brain knew that oscar de la hoya was not Oscar de la hoya, that weight drain is the sam that happened to Chris Byrd

[-Swizzy-]

did you see the fights he need to win before he gets that? (hatton,cotto,pbf) i dont think he can do it too but if he does ... top 20 ATG baby.at least.

yeah but that's so ridiculous. first off, why put out names and say IF he beats them is he a etc etc. and second, I don't think pac beats Cotto or pbf. in fact, I think both cotto and pbf stop Pac-Man. Pac should stay at 135 and below. Even at 140, pac is taking a big risk cuz there are a couple of fighters that have a really good chance of beating him at that weight. Its all good for entertainment's sake, to see pac jump weight classes like that but, he is taking a big risk in doing so. I mean, would you bet your house that Pacquiao would beat someone like Bradley even? cuz I wouldn't.

So, talking about hypothetical wins for pac is lame. You might as well make a thread asking "if haye beats wlad, vitali, chagaev, is he an ATG HW?". you see how ****** that is?

[Pacdbest]

i dont know man, even if he does beat Cotto, Hatton and Floyd, are they higher than lets say Hagler, Hearns and Duran?

That would place him higher than Leonard whos a top 30 guy?

Is Cotto, Hatton and Floyd Higher than Ali and Jerry Quarry than that would make him higher than Frazier whos probably top 30 to 40.

and is Cotto, Hatton and Floyd better than Ken Norton and Ernie Shavers? That would make him higher than Larry Holmes whos also a top 50 guy.

I love the pacman but lets be real, he shocked Barrera in 1st fight that was great! He kinda got dominated after the 1st round by MArquez. Got soundly beat by Morales who had already been in bunch of wars, great win in the rematch tho.

Beat Barrera the 2nd time but Barrera was done by that time. Good win but close decision in the Marquez fight, could have gone anyway. Good win against Diaz but its more of the fact that he went up in weight than the fact that Diaz was that good.

And i know i know excuses excuses, but from anybody who has a brain knew that oscar de la hoya was not Oscar de la hoya, that weight drain is the sam that happened to Chris Byrd

If you use excuses in every Pac Big wins then I can do the same to these top ATG fighters. But I'm not gonna waste time digging thir resume Flaws. I Just appreciate what I'm seeing today in Pacquiao.

[strugler]

i dont know man, even if he does beat Cotto, Hatton and Floyd, are they higher than lets say Hagler, Hearns and Duran?

That would place him higher than Leonard whos a top 30 guy?

Is Cotto, Hatton and Floyd Higher than Ali and Jerry Quarry than that would make him higher than Frazier whos probably top 30 to 40.

and is Cotto, Hatton and Floyd better than Ken Norton and Ernie Shavers? That would make him higher than Larry Holmes whos also a top 50 guy.

I love the pacman but lets be real, he shocked Barrera in 1st fight that was great! He kinda got dominated after the 1st round by MArquez. Got soundly beat by Morales who had already been in bunch of wars, great win in the rematch tho.

Beat Barrera the 2nd time but Barrera was done by that time. Good win but close decision in the Marquez fight, could have gone anyway. Good win against Diaz but its more of the fact that he went up in weight than the fact that Diaz was that good.

And i know i know excuses excuses, but from anybody who has a brain knew that oscar de la hoya was not Oscar de la hoya, that weight drain is the sam that happened to Chris Byrd

Everybody have their own excuses, even srl, Bhop or roy. They all have contreoversial wins, regardless if their opponent were , green, unfocus, shot, politics etc. get my drift?

[strugler]

yeah but that's so ridiculous. first off, why put out names and say IF he beats them is he a etc etc. and second, I don't think pac beats Cotto or pbf. in fact, I think both cotto and pbf stop Pac-Man. Pac should stay at 135 and below. Even at 140, pac is taking a big risk cuz there are a couple of fighters that have a really good chance of beating him at that weight. Its all good for entertainment's sake, to see pac jump weight classes like that but, he is taking a big risk in doing so. I mean, would you bet your house that Pacquiao would beat someone like Bradley even? cuz I wouldn't.

So, talking about hypothetical wins for pac is lame. You might as well make a thread asking "if haye beats wlad, vitali, chagaev, is he an ATG HW?". you see how ****** that is?

ok. i just feel he should be top 20 with those hypothetical wins doesnt mean i think he can do it. I sure damn aint giving him no chance in all that fight.

[-Swizzy-]

ok. i just feel he should be top 20 with those hypothetical wins doesnt mean i think he can do it. I sure damn aint giving him no chance in all that fight.

well, obviously Pac is top 20 if he beats those 3 names but it is still a lame hypothetical scenario.

[strugler]

LMAO.....ok. dont open a hypothetical thread then if you think its lame.

[BennyST]

well, obviously Pac is top 20 if he beats those 3 names but it is still a lame hypothetical scenario.

Most of these guys you're arguing with already have Pac in their top ten ATG's....... Seriously.

I wouldn't bother man. Delusional psycho's.

[kocface]

how is pacquiao not an atg, you can argue hes top 30 definitely even top 20
he started at 106 and fought up to 147, NO ONE ever did that
hes won titles from 112 to 135, again NO ONE ever did that
so how is pacquiao not an all time great and how is he overated?
if he beats hatton thats another belt from 112 to 140, pushing the record further.