Some Roy Jones fans on here are simply....DELUDED

[Chunk..]

I don't think so. I recognize good skills when I see them, and when he fought Joe he was a double world champ.

Nothing wrong with Kessler mate, he's a fine boxer.

He's certainly no more of a nobody than Clinton Woods.

I didn't say Kessler wasn't any good, i think his got good boxing fundamentals but he is a nobody! Not because he's a terrible boxer or anything but who has he beaten? His best wins are Beyer and Mundine and came up well short of the mark against Calzaghe.

He isn't that well known outside of Coberghen either.

Kessler gets G'd up a lot round here, mainly by Calzaghe fans which isn't a surprise because going by the archives on here, Kessler wasn't mentioned at all round here until after the Calzaghe fight.

I could be putting 2 and 2 together and making a 186, but i don't think i am?

If Kessler can beat somebody worth mentioning(I know a lot of people are avoiding him right now) then i'll take it all back! But until then, he's a nobody IMO.

[The Gunner]

Point is, I dont think kessler has shown anything thus far to suggest he would be a danger to Roy Jones at 168.

If anyone thinks otherwise, please let me know how Kessler is going to land clean on a prime a roy jones without getting hit.

Same way Lou Del Valle did...

[Chr0nic]

Miranda had nothing to offer Kessler at the time. No belts, no nothing. As far as I know, Kessler took a chance on securing a better fight, but unfortunately it didn't happen. Maybe someone can clarify on this.

And anyway, I thought Kessler eventually agreed to a fight with Miranda, but then Miranda turned it down?

As for "taking the Calzaghe route", maybe some fighters would be wise to do so. Joe may be disrespected on here by a few forum twerps, but at the end of thwe day (to use a Calzaghe-ism) he's going into the history books and the HOF whether they like it or not.

Retiring as an undefeated millionaire... or gaining the respect of a few completely ******, insignificant doubters... yeah, tough choice right there!

nope, kessler was the one that back down in the last minute
and nothin to offer? im sorry, is'nt kessler trying REALLY hard to get noticed in america?.. guess not hard enough

gotta love these delusional idiots that make up stories
did'nt you also say before it was jones who begged calzaghe for their 2008 match?
haha priceless

[The Gunner]

I didn't say Kessler wasn't any good, i think his got good boxing fundamentals but he is a nobody! Not because he's a terrible boxer or anything but who has he beaten? His best wins are Beyer and Mundine and came up well short of the mark against Calzaghe.

He isn't that well known outside of Coberghen either.

Kessler gets G'd up a lot round here, mainly by Calzaghe fans which isn't a surprise because going by the archives on here, Kessler wasn't mentioned at all round here until after the Calzaghe fight.

I could be putting 2 and 2 together and making a 186, but i don't think i am?

If Kessler can beat somebody worth mentioning(I know a lot of people are avoiding him right now) then i'll take it all back! But until then, he's a nobody IMO.

It was the haters who built Kessler and claimed Calzaghe was ducking him and now they've built him up they are trying to make him a nobody.

[Technical_Skill]

I didn't say Kessler wasn't any good, i think his got good boxing fundamentals but he is a nobody! Not because he's a terrible boxer or anything but who has he beaten? His best wins are Beyer and Mundine and came up well short of the mark against Calzaghe.

He isn't that well know outside of Coberghen either.

Kessler gets G'd up a lot round here, mainly by Calzaghe fans which isn't a surprise because going by the archives on here, Kessler wasn't mentioned at all round here until after the Calzaghe fight.

I could be putting 2 and 2 together and making a 186, but i don't think i am?

If Kesssler can beat somebody worth mentioning(I know a lot of people are avoiding him right now) then i'll take it all back! But until then, he's a nobody IMO.

I agree with most of this.

Remember when Calzaghe was accused of ducking Kessler? What where the calzaghe **** riders saying, stuff like

"Kessler hasnt beaten anyone, why would calzaghe dodge him etc"

As soon as Calzaghe beat him, their tunes changed.

"Kessler is a great Fighter, he would give anyone at 168 trouble, he cleaned out 168 until he fought joe etc"

[S A M U R A I]

I didn't say Kessler wasn't any good, i think his got good boxing fundamentals but he is a nobody! Not because he's a terrible boxer or anything but who has he beaten? His best wins are Beyer and Mundine and came up well short of the mark against Calzaghe.

He isn't that well known outside of Coberghen either.

Kessler gets G'd up a lot round here, mainly by Calzaghe fans which isn't a surprise because going by the archives on here, Kessler wasn't mentioned at all round here until after the Calzaghe fight.

I could be putting 2 and 2 together and making a 186, but i don't think i am?

If Kessler can beat somebody worth mentioning(I know a lot of people are avoiding him right now) then i'll take it all back! But until then, he's a nobody IMO.

Who has he beaten? Well, he ain't beaten any elites yet cause they won't give him the time of day! Damn, what is the guy supposed to do. He works himself into a position for top fights and nobody wants to know. I don't believe for a second that he doesn't want and hasn't tried to secure top fights. Blame ****ty, over-protective management who don't want to see their cash cow taking risks, and blame top fighters who know he is a threat for not taking the risks against Kessler. Mikkel himself is a good guy who wants to show everyone what he's capable of. He still can, too. He's not that old or anything yet.

I know exactly what you're saying but "nobody" is not the right word dude. Gotta give Kessler a chance once he breaks away from Palle. If he has done nothing significant in the next 2 or 3 years, I'll agree with you!



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[The Gunner]

nope, kessler was the one that back down in the last minute
and nothin to offer? im sorry, is'nt kessler trying REALLY hard to get noticed in america?.. guess not hard enough

gotta love these delusional idiots that make up stories
did'nt you also say before it was jones who begged calzaghe for their 2008 match?
haha priceless

Bull****, Kessler was holding out for a bigger fight and when it never came along he called Miranda on the offer and they backed out...

Kessler team confirmed this and so did HBO. LOL!

Why the **** would a fighter like Kessler duck an easy money fight. HAHA!

By Team Kessler: Now we know why the panther is an endangered species. A mere kitten has just chased Edison “La Pantera” Miranda up a tree. The “kitten” is former and future world super middleweight champion Mikkel Kessler. To put it in boxing language, Leon Margules, head of Seminole Warriors Boxing has just informed HBO executives that he is “not interested” in having Miranda fight former WBA and WBC champion Kessler on June 21 despite the fact that Kessler readily agreed to holding the fight for the soon to be vacated WBA super middleweight title at the Warriors Arena in Hollywood, Florida.


When this fight was trying to be put together for rival network Showtime, Margules sent out press release after press release accusing the Kessler team of being dirty. dishonest and scared of fighting the twice-beaten Miranda. The press releases compared Kessler to a *****cat and accused the man whose only loss in 40 pro bouts was to undefeated legend Joe Calzaghe of wishing to stay in “a cocoon” in his native Denmark. That conveniently ignored the fact that Kessler’s first title was in Australia against Tony Mundine and that he willingly went to Wales to fight Calzaghe in front of 50,000 partisan fans.

“We called Miranda’s bluff,” Kessler matchmaker Mogens Palle said Monday night. “We lobbied for Miranda to move up from the Number 6 contender spot to Number 2 so that we could satisfy HBO with a title bout. We were willing to fight Miranda at the Seminole Warriors’ own hotel-casino and arena in a non-title, over the weight 10-rounder or a 12-round WBA title bout.

“All the while Margules was pumping out demeaning and 100 percent false press releases about us and about Kessler being this meek, little kitten afraid to get into the ring with the big, bad Panther. Never in my wildest dreams did I think that Margules would fold like a cheap umbrella in a windstorm. When we agreed to come to his arena with four neutral, WBA officials and even got clearance on that from the Florida commission, I thought this fight was ready to be signed. So did the HBO people.”

Margules gave the HBO executives the stunning news of Miranda’s pullout about 3 pm, EDT.

“I am satsified that the HBO folks know that I wanted to fight Miranda, title or non title, on their air June 21. I am in training and I hope that HBO can find someone who is willing to fight me on that specific date. I will fight anyone they put in front of me for the right price.”

Kessler’s agent, Michael Marley, confirmed what Palle said.

“It was Mogens and Bettina (Palle, Kessler’s manager) who made all the concessions here. It was the Palles who got Kessler accepted as the official WBA challenger. It was the Palles who lobbied for Miranda as a worthy Number 2 challenger behind only Mikkel in the WBA ratings. WBA President Gilberto Mendoza Jr. and his team did everything they could to make this highly-anticipated fight a reality. So did Lou DiBella. At the end, the bitter end, it was Margules who pulled the plug. I guess that’s sadly appropriate since it was Leon who kept reneging on the terms and conditions for the Showtime deal. Now he’s burned Showtime in one month and HBO in the next.
I just wonder if Pantera and his co-managers know what’s been going on.”

Finally, Marley asked what the public and media outcry would be if Miranda agreed to come to Denmark and Kessler bowed out.

“Everyone would be howling and rightfully so,” Marley said. “But the shoe is on Miranda’s foot and his promoter’s foot. Kitten Kessler was ready to come to his house, to blow his house down and give Miranda a sound beating. But Margules just slammed the door in Kessler’s face and HBO’s face. I hope people keep these facts in mind when you read the next ridiculous press release about how everyone is so afraid of Miranda. Instead of crying over spilt milk regarding Glen Johnson losing a decision to Chad Dawson, Margules could have finalized this bout for Edison on HBO. Imagine the Panther, the fearsome fighter, turning down a world tiitle shot on HBO on his home grounds!”

Mogens Palle, who has kept boxing alive and strong in tiny Denmark for 50 years, will be inducted into the International Boxing Hall Of Fame on June 7 in Canastota, New York.



http://www.************.com/2008/04/...essler-update/

[Chr0nic]

Same way Lou Del Valle did...

oh yea, cuz kessler is a southpaw!

[S A M U R A I]

nope, kessler was the one that back down in the last minute
and nothin to offer? im sorry, is'nt kessler trying REALLY hard to get noticed in america?.. guess not hard enough

gotta love these delusional idiots that make up stories
did'nt you also say before it was jones who begged calzaghe for their 2008 match?
haha priceless

It WAS Jones who called out Joe. Watch the Tito fight (post-fight interview) and watch interviews from around that time. Jones worked himself into position for a top fight and Joe was his number one target. Why would I lie about something that's well known?

I laugh when people say "Joe only picks on old people". Bull****. Well, as far as these "old people" are concerned, one of them (Roy) called Joe out multiple times and asked for the fight, the other (Bernard) was the Ring light heavy champ and top 5 P4P. Hops still ain't shot, he's still a ****ing awesome fighter, as he proved a little while after the Calz fight against Pavlik. Yeah, poor old frail dudes. Joe's such a bad person.

I'm not sure I believe everything I hear about the Miranda saga. Yes, Kessler is trying hard to get fights in the US. He personally visited the US and made offers to no less than 6 US fighters last year, and none of them took him up on it.



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[Chr0nic]

Bull****, Kessler was holding out for a bigger fight and when it never came along he called Miranda on the offer and they backed out...

Kessler team confirmed this and so did HBO. LOL!

Why the **** would a fighter like Kessler duck an easy money fight. HAHA!

http://www.************.com/2008/04/...essler-update/

that';s funny

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=3312534