Complaint: The Ring's p4p list

[Jairus-Z]

Of course Golden Boy's Ring Magazine would rate Marquez above Calzaghe and put Shane Mosley in the list because he is a part of Golden Boy. Same goes for Ricky Hatton.

The Ring may think that Marquez beat Pacquiao, but they should honor the "offical" winner of the fight.

The Ring is from a North America point of view. In Europe, Calzaghe would be clearly number two.



Fact is the ring is just a golden boy promotion tool and you guys are a bunch of dumb asses to still give an obsolete magazine any credibility

[SweetSci]

The fact that DLH owns the Ring, it creates a major conflict of interest

[Mozza]

That's the thing about boxing, it's all about opinion. I believe Calzaghe might have lost to B-Hop and Jones was less than half the fighter that he used to be. While Marquez fought #1 Paquiao as close as posible(I gave it to Marquez), and was the first to stop Casamayor, who was old, put not as past it as Roy Jones. We can discuss it all day and not agree.

Marquez was sluggish against Casamayor. No serious person thinks Hopkins beat Calzaghe.

[icantbox]

Ricky has dominated his weightclass for 4 years now and was beating good fighters for a few years before that. He is a top ten P4P fighter. Caballero on the other hand I am surprised by. He has fought in one weight class and although he is good I want to see him up his competition.

[2501]

Someone explain to me why Calzaghe should be #2 over Marquez?

Calzaghe's last 2 fights

Calzaghe defeated an over the hill Jones with no belt
Calzghe defeats Hopkins in a VERY unattractive win where he looked like an amatuer

Marquez's last 2 fights

Marquez defeated an over the hill Casamayor who previously knocked out Michael Katsidis and had THE RING LW BELT: translation, THE FIGHT ACTUALLY MEANT SOMETHING

Marquez is defeated by Manny Pacquiao in a fight where most ring observers thought he won.

And if we go back further, it still looks better for Marquez.

[warp1432]

What part of "Pound for Pound is a person's opinion' do people not understand?

It has nothing to do with 5 of the 10 being GBP fighters. Margarito was ranked 6 by The Ring for beating Cotto. Mosley beat Marg. It's a direct take over.

Hopkins has always been ranked that high and anyone who disagrees is an idiot. Same with Vazquez.

Only really Hatton and Caballero are subjective. Hatton rentered off a win over Paulie. I disagree with him being on there, but he'll get to prove his worth when he fights Pacquiao on May 2nd.

Caballero is the only one I disagreed with. It should be Vic.

[2501]

Marquez was sluggish against Casamayor. No serious person thinks Hopkins beat Calzaghe.

You cant possibly argue that Jones was bigger threat to Calzaghe than Casamayor was to Marquez.

[warp1432]

Not to mention Casamayor redeemed himself with the Katsidis win for anyone who wants to use the Santa Cruz excuse. Casamayor is a hard man to time, hence why Marquez looked a little sluggish at first. He had trouble finding him. He looked great later on though.

[Mozza]

You cant possibly argue that Jones was bigger threat to Calzaghe than Casamayor was to Marquez.

Well depending on what you think of Casamayor you could very easily argue that however that is not what I am arguing. My argument is that Calzaghe's level of performance has been higher recently.

[2501]

Well depending on what you think of Casamayor you could very easily argue that however that is not what I am arguing. My argument is that Calzaghe's level of performance has been higher recently.

Against who?

You said "recently" so lets look at Calzaghe's "recent" opponents.

Jones
Hopkins
Manfredo
Kessler

Jones: How can anyone's level of performance NOT be high against Jones?

Hopkins: If you actually believed Calzaghe preformed at a high level in this fight, if you actually believe he dominated in this fight, if you actually believed he looked like an actual PRO fighter in this fight, then it isn't even worth continuing this debate beyond this point.

Kessler: The only fight in RECENT times where Calzaghe truly looked like a p4p fighter. He didn't exactly dominate, but adjusted and won a clear decision against an undefeated, skilled and tough champion.

Manfredo: Really worthy of Calzaghe's time? Not even a NAME for a resume.

Do I even have to go into Marquez's recent fights?