Complaint: The Ring's p4p list

[Kc-hoodsta]

list is "OK" i guess hatton shouldnt be on there

[Ch@mpBox@PR]

This is boxing though, it's not as simple as winning or losing sometimes

Performance and circumstance should be taken into account to

and on the pound-for-pound list i strongly believe pure ability should take priority also

Thats wrong, because if you put ability a priority, Judah would still be in the Top 10 P4P.
P4P should be about, who you beat or lose to, and how. Plus resume!!!!!!!!

[PoetryInMotion]

Because he lost twice. Even tho they were very competitive fights he loss to 2 in a row, he should be 11 or 12. With a decent win he will get back on my list. But there are guys like Hatton, Darchinyan and others who have done very good lately. I mean 1 loss, dont get you out of the top 10 P4P, depending on your previous ranking but 2 losses, come on now!!!!!!

Yeah he lost two close, competitive fights of the year. He never got stoped or KO'd. Cotto did, and his win before that was Alfonso Gomez. Why not take him out?

[Ch@mpBox@PR]

Yeah he lost two close, competitive fights of the year. He never got stoped or KO'd. Cotto did, and his win before that was Alfonso Gomez. Why not take him out?

Marquez didnt got stoped?????????? I suggest you pay more antention. He got stoped and then he lost a D, to the same guy. Cotto only had lost one, and when he fought Gomez he was undefeted, the number 1 WW, plus he came from beating the current number 1 WW!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[PoetryInMotion]

Thats wrong, because if you put ability a priority, Judah would still be in the Top 10 P4P.
P4P should be about, who you beat or lose to, and how. Plus resume!!!!!!!!

Cotto beat Gomez and got Ko'd by Margarito, two guys not previously on the top 10. Marquez has 2 close, competitive fights with a top 10 fighter. Your biased, and thats ok, but thats why I said you were biased.

[Mozza]

There is no logical argument for putting Marquez ahead of Calzaghe.

[Tha_Greatest]

Hatton definitely deserves to be at least 8th. He has only been beaten by one guy and that happened to be the P4P #1 in the world at the time. That's impressive. Take a closer look at the other guys on the list above him and make the decision objectively for once.

1)Manny Pacquio=3 losses and 2 by KO againt unknowns.
2)Juan Manuel Marquez=4 losses, albeit to good fighters but not all P4P ranked.
3)Joe Calzaghe=Has only beaten one prime fighter worth a crap. (Kessler)
4)B-hop=5 losses to good & elite comp, but 5 losses are still losses.
5)Izzy Vasquez=4 losses, 3 by TKO/KO and 2 unknowns KO'd him.
6)Shane Mosley=5 losses to good competition, but not to the P4P #1's.
7)Rafael Marquez=Gets KO'd 4 out of 5 losses and loses 2 times in a row, yet still has a top 10 P4P spot. What does he have to do to drop out? Die in the ring?
8)Ivan Calderon=No losses, but he has also not fought anyone of note at all.

Does anyone still doubt Hatton's claim to P4P legitimacy?

this is not a college football bcs rankings where it is based on undefeated and other statistical nonsense

[PoetryInMotion]

Marquez didnt got stoped?????????? I suggest you pay more antention. He got stoped and then he lost a D, to the same guy. Cotto only had lost one, and when he fought Gomez he was undefeted, the number 1 WW, plus he came from beating the current number 1 WW!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Wow, you cought me tired and slippin. If I would have took half a second to think I would have remembered Marquez got stopped on the second fight lol. My bad, your list is gold. Marquez does have a win over the man who beat him tho, that could count for something.

[S.G.]

Thats wrong, because if you put ability a priority, Judah would still be in the Top 10 P4P.
P4P should be about, who you beat or lose to, and how. Plus resume!!!!!!!!

nah because Judah is terrible mentally and fades in fights, thus detracting from his overall boxing ability (maybe ability is the wrong word as it implies just technique, but i can't think of another one)

hypothetical fights between boxers is the original basis of the pound-for-pound rankings i believe, and that should still be a factor today

resume is important as hell, but it's not the be all and end all

[S.G.]

There is no logical argument for putting Marquez ahead of Calzaghe.

except for he's just plain and simple the better boxer of the two???