I Think Margarito Took a Dive!

[Low Blow Armo]

Journalists have a higher standard of evidence that usually leads to breakthrough stories, like a world championship fight being fixed. Is a guy who just watched the fight on HBO or Sopcast in a better position to judge whether a fight was fixed or not than someone like, I dunno, Dan Rafael who was there?

Said Dan Rafael, who was there:

What moron wrote that? No chance whatsoever. If you're going to dive, you don't get the crap kicked out of you first for nine rounds. People are so ****** sometimes.

Rafael is a boxing writer who cannot afford to bash the sport that he covers. The sport that pays his bills. Even if he really believes in foul play, he still wont admit it. I don't understand your reason for a writer being in a better position than someone else in judging something. Unless that writer or journalist can prove to me that Marg didnt throw the fight, why should I believe that he would knows more than me?

[Mr. Ryan]

I wanna believe that it wasn't fixed too man, trust me. But that fight just had a bad smell to it from start to finish. I'm just having a hard time believing that Margarito can go from the performance against Cotto, to immediately looking shot and old in 5 months. I don't understand how he doesn't land one god damn punch but Shane is landing at will and doing whatever he wants. I know for sure those wars are taking a toll on his ass but what I saw against Mosley was something else.

What I've noticed is that when people can't understand something, they find ways to discredit reality. After all, a fans preconceived determinations can never be wrong.

If a fighter with 4 losses beats an undefeated guy, the undefeated guy obviously was just having an off-night.

A guy who beat Cotto in his last fight couldn't possibly lose to Shane Mosley, and if he did then the fight was fixed.

[Low Blow Armo]

What I've noticed is that when people can't understand something, they find ways to discredit reality. After all, a fans preconceived determinations can never be wrong.

If a fighter with 4 losses beats an undefeated guy, the undefeated guy obviously was just having an off-night.

A guy who beat Cotto in his last fight couldn't possibly lose to Shane Mosley, and if he did then the fight was fixed.

You're over simplifying everything I'm saying. Its not that he lost, its the way he lost. I agree that people try to discredit something that they don't understand. But there's two things I understand. Boxing and ********. And the two go hand in hand.

[nozorok]

It sounds pretty far fetched to me so unless there's a real official investigation under way this is just a rumor. The chances of Mosley being on HGH & IGF1 are much higher then Margarito throwing the fight after taking that much punishment.

It's also been mentioned that Margarito was as high as 170lbs a mere 3 weeks from the fight and spent pretty much the whole camp coming down in weight instead of training. Fame gets to people's head and they start feeling invincible which leads to their downfall. It's possible because of these factors that his trainer Capetillo could see the writing on the wall and decided to give Tony an advantage against Mosley as a sort of insurance policy. However, Margarito looked so bad in that fight you could see in the first round that it's clear he was dead even if he had a roll of quarters in each glove.


I don't think he used anything illegal against Cotto because everyone knew Miguel's chin was shaky and was hurt against much smaller, less powerful opponents. I think the irony is that if he did cheat against Mosley and got caught the first time he tried it then that's karma for you.

Please note that I don't feel any sympathy for Mosley because he's already been proven a cheat and may well have been on something judging from the way he was fighting with no hint of fatigue and looking like he was 10 years younger. I hope they keep a sample of his blood for future testing when the ability to detect some of the current undetectable drugs becomes available.

[dans]

This is the dumbest idea ever. I'm going to play devil's advocate though.

It's so obvious that Margarito took a dive. I mean think about all those hard punches he took from Golden Johnson and he didn't even blink. There's no way Mosley could have really knocked out Margarito. I mean that left hook that Mosley planted on Margarito's jaw was little more than a jab and Margarito pretended like he was hurt. Isn't everything so obvious? Think about it this way, Margarito was on top of the world, so obviously he would take a dive, get caught illegally wrapping his hands, and do it against a 37 year old man. You guys need to think!

[DrewWoodside]

This is what I'm also trying to say here. But, some of these clowns here are having a tough time trying to accept or understand that. Money!!!! Its all about Money!!!!! Margarito threw the fight because he was going to make more money out of losing, and make money for other people who also knew about this ****. These morons here think that Margarito is about integrity and honesty and loyalty to fans and sport and he has no reason to dive and he wouldn't have taken so much punishment and he had legacy to worry about and he has cotto fight to protect and mexican fighters don't sell out like that and this only happens in third world countries and in movies and I love boxing and this wont happen to my beloved boxing and on and on. Let some one give you a couple a mil and let me see what you'll be willing to do.

How much money did Margs stand to get for this fight legit? And how much money do you think he got if he threw it? Just wondering. Maybe the Cartels were threatening his family or way of life and he didn't even get paid..

[Mr. Ryan]

Rafael is a boxing writer who cannot afford to bash the sport that he covers. The sport that pays his bills. Even if he really believes in foul play, he still wont admit it. I don't understand your reason for a writer being in a better position than someone else in judging something. Unless that writer or journalist can prove to me that Marg didnt throw the fight, why should I believe that he would knows more than me?

Boxing does not pay Dan Rafael's bills, ESPN does. Remember that, his duty is not to the sport but to the fans, to relay the information in a timely and accurate manner.

Rafael has been reporting extensively on the hand wrap controversy, which if proven to be true would be a black eye to the sport. Rafael has never been shy about confronting controversy and getting the story out there fairly and accurately.

A writer is in a better position because he can explore different avenues to investigate a story than could a fan at home. A journalist can interview sources, study their mannerisms and draw a story out of an unwilling subject. A guy at home arguing on Boxingscene can speculate and argue and watch Youtube all day.

You tell me who is in the better position, boxing writer on the scene or Youtube Man?

The burden of proof is on the accuser, not the accused. I could say that unless someone can prove to me that Pacquiao-Barrera II or Judah-Bergman was not fixed, then I believe that were fixed. That doesn't mean they were fixed fights.

[HappyBoxingFan]

How much money did Margs stand to get for this fight legit? And how much money do you think he got if he threw it? Just wondering. Maybe the Cartels were threatening his family or way of life and he didn't even get paid..

Grey (Cape Cod, MA): What is it with people and "fixed fights"? I've watched an insane amount of boxing in the last eight years or so and I've seen one, maybe two fights were I thought a guy phoned it in. Even then, I didn't think it was for financial reasons.

Dan Rafael: (1:36 PM ET ) In my entire career, there is only fight that I have watched that I am convinced was fixed.

Do you guys think he might be talking about Marg/Mosley?

[DrewWoodside]

Grey (Cape Cod, MA): What is it with people and "fixed fights"? I've watched an insane amount of boxing in the last eight years or so and I've seen one, maybe two fights were I thought a guy phoned it in. Even then, I didn't think it was for financial reasons.

Dan Rafael: (1:36 PM ET ) In my entire career, there is only fight that I have watched that I am convinced was fixed.

Do you guys think he might be talking about Marg/Mosley?

Who's to say.. It would have been pretty helpful if Big Dan would tell us what he's talking about. The only other fight I think of most is the No Mas fight. That always looked shady.

[Mr. Ryan]

Grey (Cape Cod, MA): What is it with people and "fixed fights"? I've watched an insane amount of boxing in the last eight years or so and I've seen one, maybe two fights were I thought a guy phoned it in. Even then, I didn't think it was for financial reasons.

Dan Rafael: (1:36 PM ET ) In my entire career, there is only fight that I have watched that I am convinced was fixed.

Do you guys think he might be talking about Marg/Mosley?

There are only two fights that I have seen that I feel the opponent tanked it in. The first was Julio "Baby Face" Garcia vs. Troy Browning, I even went on the record and wrote an article about it.

And the second was a club show fight on an undercard between a 2-0 fighter and a pro debut. The trainer and fighter both told me the fight was fixed and he was paid a decent check for a four round pro debut to go in the tank.

Cliff Couser has admitted to throwing the fight with Michael Moorer.

None of those fights fit the profile of the Margarito-Mosley fight. Why? Because none of the guys who threw the fights stood there and took a severe ass beating.