If Manny Pacquiao Beats Hatton, Mayweather, & Cotto = Fighter of the Decade?

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  • PrtyBoyDlicious
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    #51
    Originally posted by javelin_fangs
    Define "nobody." I've been saying for years that Pacquiao belongs at 140 because he used to weigh in at 130 and then come into the fight weighing in the mid to high 140s. He didn't weight but 1 lb more for the DLH fight than he did for the Marquez rematch.

    But Paul Williams is a 154/160 lber now. I really doubt Pacquiao fights him and if he did fight him he'd lose. But back to the larger question...he probably still couldn't surpass Ray Robinson even in your fantasy scenario.
    so, one needs to fight for 30 years and rack up 200 plus fight to surpass robinson?

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      #52
      Originally posted by PrtyBoyDlicious
      lets just say he beats them all..where do you put Pac? GOAT?

      Or everyone have decided that Robinson's accomplishhment is unsurpassable?
      You act like I haven't done research. I have. So, now I'm asking you to review this:
      http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php...9625&cat=boxer
      and this:
      http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php...6129&cat=boxer

      And explain to me what about Robinson's accomplishments doesn't match up with Pacquiao's. I mean even an over the hill Robinson after Maxim had some amazing accomplishments.

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        #53
        Originally posted by Fights
        Let's say its December 2009:

        Manny Pacquiao has won his last 3 fights. Added to his already impressive resume are 2009 wins over Hatton, Mayweather and Cotto.

        He is in a press conference announcing his retirement.

        With this scenario, in your opinion, is he the Fighter of the Decade?
        YES! of course. it'd be hard choosing anybody else IF he did beat those guys.

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          #54
          Originally posted by PrtyBoyDlicious
          so, one needs to fight for 30 years and rack up 200 plus fight to surpass robinson?
          Let me ask you this; do you think the impressive thing about Robinson is that he has 173 wins? Or are you not impressed with the calibre of his opposition? The truth of the matter is that Robinson fought and beat everyone with every style and beat them in their primes...multiple times, even bigger dudes. Are you going to deny that?

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            #55
            Originally posted by javelin_fangs
            Let me ask you this; do you think the impressive thing about Robinson is that he has 173 wins? Or are you not impressed with the calibre of his opposition? The truth of the matter is that Robinson fought and beat everyone with every style and beat them in their primes...multiple times, even bigger dudes. Are you going to deny that?
            It's something else too...if Manny beat hatton and Floyd, just that, he'd have a dog in the GOAT hunt. That's the best anyone can do is have a strong case. I'd still favor Robinson especially now because I haven't seen Manny do it yet. I could change; or people can debate.

            People will anyways.

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              #56
              Pacquiao might beat Hatton and he would have some chance of beating Cotto, but he won't beat Mayweather.

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              • PrtyBoyDlicious
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                #57
                Originally posted by javelin_fangs
                You act like I haven't done research. I have. So, now I'm asking you to review this:
                http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php...9625&cat=boxer
                and this:
                http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php...6129&cat=boxer

                And explain to me what about Robinson's accomplishments doesn't match up with Pacquiao's. I mean even an over the hill Robinson after Maxim had some amazing accomplishments.
                My question is, how would you consider anyone as GOAT surpassing SRR; what does a fighter need to do or accomplish to be considered as GOAT? PAcman is only a hypothetical case...I'm not comparing the two.

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                  #58
                  Originally posted by PrtyBoyDlicious
                  My question is, how would you consider anyone as GOAT surpassing SRR; what does a fighter need to do or accomplish to be considered as GOAT? PAcman is only a hypothetical case...I'm not comparing the two.
                  Why not? I've answered your questions.

                  BTW, if I thought someone was going to surpass Robinson I'd have to actually see it. The only person I really think had any shot was Floyd, but at this point I'd doubt he does it. It'll probably be at least another 20 years before someone else with a legit shot at catching Robinson comes along. It's something intangible that put Robinson so far ahead of anyone else. Not only did he fight and beat everyone he dominated even great fighters, multiple times.

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                  • PrtyBoyDlicious
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                    #59
                    Originally posted by javelin_fangs
                    Let me ask you this; do you think the impressive thing about Robinson is that he has 173 wins? Or are you not impressed with the calibre of his opposition? The truth of the matter is that Robinson fought and beat everyone with every style and beat them in their primes...multiple times, even bigger dudes. Are you going to deny that?

                    I'm not denying anything that SRR have accomplished. For me his the GOAT or until someone comes along and surpassed him. Well, what's the criteria, what should be the basis, the barometer to be considered as greatest of all time?

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                      #60
                      Originally posted by PrtyBoyDlicious
                      I'm not denying anything that SRR have accomplished. For me his the GOAT or until someone comes along and surpassed him. Well, what's the criteria, what should be the basis, the barometer to be considered as greatest of all time?
                      Look, when Mayweather whitewashed Chicanito Hernandez, blew out Angel Manfredy, beat a slew of contenders, then owned Diego Corrales and followed that up with wins over Famoso Hernandez and Jesus Chavez he was on his way. You have to keep in mind that Robinson was 131-2 against the best of the best from 135-160. Basically he fought everybody, with any style and won every single round. Does Pacquiao do that? I mean nothing against Pacquiao but the answer is no.

                      You have to be able to put that much distance between yourself and even the other great fighters. What makes Robinson even more impressive is that even after his prime he gritted out really tough wins against naturally bigger and younger HOFers. I mean what do you want me to say? That it's something just anybody could surpass? There's a reason why this guy has been considered the greatest for about 60 years.

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